Taxes and Obama supporters

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Who here who will vote to re-elect President Obama has paid more in taxes than required?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Who here who will vote for Romney has paid less in taxes than required?

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    who here has paid taxes on tea without representation?
     
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    Who here wants to go out for a beer and talk Blazers instead of politics?
     
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    The world is like a ride at an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round; it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun... for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid -EVER- because, this is just a ride."

    And we... KILL those people! "Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride - SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry! Look at my big bank account, and my family! This just HAS to be real!"... But it's just a ride. And we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok? Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded HAHA! But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money.

    A choice, right now, between fear and love.

    The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride: Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, NOT ONE HUMAN BEING EXCLUDED, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

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  6. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I'm surprised. Not one self-professed Obama voter is willing to be patriotic enough to pay more taxes than they can get away with? C'mon, we're all in this together! I wonder how much our Dear Leader paid in additional taxes?
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    It's the same argument you hear about hard-line cons that will accept hand-outs from the government because "they are there and it'd be dumb not to take them"
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Link?
     
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    "they are there and it'd be dumb not to take them"

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    Out of principle, same way you expect from this thread others to pay more in taxes out of principle.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    On the one hand, if you're advocating that government do more, you should be willing to pay more to pay for those increased services. The anology on the other hand would be to pay less and accept less. In this example, you would ask that people pay more and take less. It's not equivalent.
     
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    Except I directly, by paying in more than my amount, would not benefit from ALL of the services my tax dollars can or would go to. I wouldn't all of a sudden get to start collecting welfare, or food stamps, or get a grant for school, etc. So the analogy does fit. I get the same and pay more. They get the same and pay more. But, you expect those on the left to be ok with paying more and getting the same, but others might get more, but think it doesn't equal out to the other side. The analogy is the same for those individuals on here you want to pay more. Out of principle, I coudl pay more, to help out those less fortunate by having more money available in the whole pot. So I suppose shame on me for not. Along the same way, out of principle, if you're opposed to that money being available, don't take it when it comes around, because hey, it'd be dumb if you didn't.
     
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    But you want more government. It's your choice. You don't have to collect all of it, you simply want others to have more, yet you want everyone else to pay for it. I want less government. I would rather purchase these goods and services myself. If you're going to force me to pay more for things I would prefer to pay for myself, why wouldn't I seek to alternately obtain it through the government, since I've already been forced to pay for it?
     
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    Barry took deductions on his tax returns, as do the rest of his 1% donors. He's sipping Crystal with Beyonce and Jay-Z while pretending he is fighting for those who can't afford Andre'.
     
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    No silly, the RICH need to pay for it all. Nevermind that taxing 100% of the 1%'s income wouldn't even matter in terms of lowering the debt, let alone eliminating it.
     
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    We can agree to disagree. I see the analogy as fitting. If you think we should pay more than our share, just because, then I think you shouldn't accep the handouts that might be available to you if you are so opposed to them. Set a standard that you'd rather pay for what you want than take it as a handout. And if you did, and everyone like you did, maybe the government would realize they don't have to hand it out to as many people. Whatever"IT" maybe be in that situation. If you're willing to pay for it, but take it because, again as 3RA1N1AC said, "you'd be dumb not to", then the govt. can easily see it as more people dependent on it, and thus needing to provide even more. Take a stand for what you believe in, but no, you won't. You just take what's handed out to you,a nd can't actually stand up for what you think is right. But you're more than happy to feel smug calling out others for the exact same shit.
     
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    I pay more than my fair share. There's no way I come close to extracting from government in goods and services for what I pay. And that doesn't even count payroll taxes. Do you pay your "fair" share? It just blows my mind that all of those who say they want higher taxes don't go ahead and pay higher taxes themselves.
     
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    It just blows my mind that those that say they want the government to do less are still willing to take handouts from the government because they're offered.
     

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