Congrats, Miguel Cabrera, On The Triple Crown!!

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Bears mentioning.

    First time since Ted Williams accomplished this feat....45 years ago!!
     
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  3. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    True dat! :)

    Thanks for the correction.
     
  4. GriLtCheeZ

    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    Yo, come on now, ABM. Get it right. It's not the Triple Crown. It's the AL Triple Crown.

    My boy Gerald Dempsey Posey (aka Buster) kept Cabrera from winning the MLB Triple Crown.

    Just sayin'.
     
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    MVP. Hopefully the MLB gets that right.
     
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    Spud147 Mercy Mercy

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    if mike trout doesnt win it it will be understandable, but a mistake
     
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  10. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    The Hank Aaron Award was created for seasons like Cabrera's. The MVP should take into account defense, speed, pitching, impact on team, etc.
     
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    Agreed. But I won't be shocked if Cabrera wins it.

    And let's be honest for a minute. Barring anything catastrophic, we'll look back on Trout's career in 15-20 years, review his stats, talk about how amazing they were, and he could have 4-8 MVP's, and we'll never know any different about his rookie year.

    The guy could wind up being one of THE all-time greats. The dude at 21 is what Barry Bonds was in his late-20's, if not better. That's when Bonds was the legit 5-tool player, before juice, when he was one of the best defensive outfielders, a stolen base threat, a power threat, a tough out at the plate.
     
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    I really disagree about Mike Trout winning

    Cabrera had more

    ab's
    hits
    doubles
    home runs
    way less k's
    average
    slg
    OPS (obviously)
    total bases
    Extra base hits
    Runs created
     
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    Which is why Cabrera should win the Hank Aaron and Silver Slugger. There's more to baseball than what goes on in the batters' box, which is why Verlander was able to win.
     
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    Both had fielding ratings over .900. Trout was better, but Cabrera plays 3rd base. What else does he need to do?
     
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    Trout is already one of the best defensive outfielders. Cabrera ain't bad at 3B, but he doesn't elicit visions of all-time greats at 3B (let alone, current 3B) like Trout does in the OF.

    Trout's WAR is absolutely ridiculous. Trout also had 4 errors to Cabrera's 32. Cabrera has a NEGATIVE defensive WAR (so he'd below-average defensively), Trout's is positive. Trout's average is just behind Cabrera's, he has a better OBP, he provides far more speed than Cabrera (49 SB to Cabrera's 4). 8 triples to Cabrera's big 0. Scored 20 more runs than Cabrera.

    All in 139 games, as he was in AAA the first few weeks of the year.

    Don't get me wrong - they're different types of players. Cabrera is in the heart of the order (protected by Prince Fielder, no less). Trout leads off. Detroit made the playoffs, while the Angels did not.

    I won't be surprised if either player wins (though I expect Cabrera to just barely win it). But you certainly can't write-off Trout, and he's arguably as deserving as Cabrera. He's certainly the more complete player of the two. Which I think is Brian's point - the "p" in player stands for player, that's both sides of the game, offense AND defense. While Cabrera is a star at the plate, he's below-average defensively according to stats (though I'd say he's average from what I've seen, or at least adequate).
     
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    WAR is the excepted measure of a players worth, generally offensive WAR, and defensive WAR

    trout had a higher OFFENSIVE WAR than cabrera, never mind their huge difference in defensive WAR

    not to mention cabrera lead the league in GIDP

    cabrera will probably win, and good for him he had a great year at bat, but clearly trout was more valuable, and had a better season
     
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    are you talking about fielding percentage?

    also, cabrera had a better year at the plate last year, when he didnt win the triple crown, and he finished 5th in the MVP
     
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    the importance of a centerfielder is comparable to only shortstop and catcher defensively

    they stick the bad fielders at 1b, 3b, rf, and lf usually
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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