Zombie THE 2012 BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE - THE BATTLE OF CHAPLIN HILLS II

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  1. PapaG

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    So Biden came across as a very bizarre and giggly liar, and Dems think that's a good thing.
     
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  2. PapaG

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    Heh

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog
    Ryan should take out a laser pointer to see if Biden will chase it around the floor

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    Coming in February to MSNBC: I AM ANGRY YELLING LAUGH NOW with Joe Biden #BroughttoyoubyCathetersdotCom

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    Biden did what he had to do last night: audition for a 5pm slot at MSNBC in January.

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    Ever been really stoned, with cottonmouth so bad your lips get stuck to your teeth? Yeah. #Biden

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    Biden making me nostalgic for the calm, adult demeanor of Charlie Callas. #VwwweerpVvwwweeerp

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    America slowly backing away from Biden, trying not to make any sudden moves
     
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  3. Denny Crane

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    CBSNews poll says 49% say Ryan would be an effective president (56% say Biden would).

    CNN poll says 60% say Ryan would be effective, 57% say Biden would.

    EDIT: This was in response to maxiep.
     
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    BTW

    CBS News poll was of uncommitted voters (not likely, not registered).
    CNN was of registered voters (not likely ones).
     
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  5. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    As I've been stewing over this debate, a larger thought occurred to me. We can focus stylistically all we want, but perhaps it's something more fundamental. For the first time in modern history, I think the President and Vice President not only disagree with their opposition, but have real contempt for their viewpoint. Obama couldn't even make eye contact with Romney and Biden was demonstrated open contempt for Paul Ryan's worldview. If that's the case, in a second term, how can this Administration work with a Congress who will likely have one house being held by the GOP? It's really concerning.
     
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    One other larger thought: While in the first debate we saw President Obama being passive, which I saw as playing out the clock on the election, we saw Paul Ryan behaving calmly, as if they were the frontrunners. Could it be that internal polling shows them in better shape?

    I guess perhaps it goes to the point I made earlier in the thread: Biden was playing to his base, which points to a strategy of a 2004 base election turnout model. In contrast, Ryan seemed to be reaching to the middle, playing to independents, which would point to more of a strategy of a 1996 model.
     
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    great point Maxiep, fact is, they cant continue with the way thay have done things. GOPs wont cave in and there is only so many presidential mandates barry can toss out before even the dullest become aware.
     
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    agree, he made several references to working with both parties to get things done, and made reference to barrys lack of the same
     
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    Guess it depends on your viewpoint.

    Ryan couldn't even make eye contact with Biden and Romney demonstrated open contempt for Obama's worldview was what I saw.

    Bottom line is neither Romney nor Ryan has to this date revealed any facts on how or what they would actually do to help the middle class. They've ducked the question(s) every time or been caught lying about their intentions and no doubt will be forced to continuing ducking and lying as their real goal is to continue the 40 year rape of the middle class that is destroying our country.
     
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    maxiep, Oct 12, 2012
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    What are you talking about? Biden referred to Ryan as "my friend" multiple times. Does that not mean anything?

    Fixed.
     
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    lol yeah, he did, with zero respect and open contempt, each time hesaid it, there was a mocking tone.
     
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    He wasn't able to use green font in that setting.
     
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    2 completely separate issues.

    He was referring to later votes to borrow from China to finance the continued escalation of the 2 wars, not the original invasions which were represented by Bush to be quick in and outs with precise and limited goals.
     
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    There were no later votes to borrow from China to finance the wars.

    Do you just make this stuff up as you go?
     
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    Hey Denny, read disclaimer..
     
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    Hmmm. Apparently I should have used the green font in my post.
     
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    oops, noted..although it did make me laugh..
     
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    I would say neither up or down. He's not as experienced as he could be, but then again he's no Palin...
     
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    I love this about Biden (and Obama as well):

    Abortion: I don't like abortion, but I would not force my personal views on others.

    Taxes: I don't think those people don't need that much money, so I'm going to force my belief on them and make them pay more.
     
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