Zombie THE 2012 BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE - THE BATTLE OF CHAPLIN HILLS II

Integrity.

I've always strived to standout in whatever it was I'm doing. Guess who's going to get the leeway when he wants time off?

Job security, good pay, benefits outweigh worrying about what the guy next to me is doing.

 

I totally agree.

That said, sometimes incentive trumps integrity. (in other word's there are ALWAYS gonna be bad apples......that may need a little boost to get them over the proverbial hump..)

 

Oh dear. I'll say it again:

If you can't extrapolate the 11% and 7% numbers to realize that unions clearly don't "make up the middle class", then you have bigger issues than I originally thought. And that's saying something.

 

BALLA!!

 

I'm a 'BALLA' even if I don't have a pot to piss in. Its called charm and good looks.

DaLincoln was calling BS, I gave some facts.

The only thing we know about you is that you're a Stanford reject that likes to follow me around and flaunt your fetish towards a poor Union lackey like myself.

Don't feel sorry for me. Trust me.

 

I've always liked you because I can reason in a civil fashion with you.

.....Something a certain Stanford fanboy should take notes about.

 

Actually, for that matter, incentive is a better tool for the "good" guys......the ones with integrity. Greatly minimizes the amount of potential resentment, indifference, and/or apathy..towards their less-than-stellar co-workers. In the end, it produces a better product/service, overall.

 

There's not as much resentment in a Unionized workplace as you'd think. I know I only focus on my task at hand and not what everyone else is doing. Some of my good buddies down at work are lazy asses. Its their prerogative.

 

I see PapaG creepin on this thread. Its gotta be so tempting for him...

 

It's a little silly to claim your "good looks" when you've already shown us pictures of yourself.

 

Absolutely!

Innovations nearly always come from the employee, not from the employer.

Who do you think is more apt to bring their innovative ideas to their employer, perhaps even work on their development on their own time?

Someone on minimum wage, with no healthcare, who's boss threatens to fire them if they don't vote for his candidate?

or

Someone who feels they are paid a fair wage for their efforts, has healthcare through their employer, and feels their boss genuinely values their contributions?

 

So much meat in that post and you stick to discussing my good looks?

Kinda par for the course for someone who constantly uses words like, cute and silly...

 

That's easy. The 2012 Vice Presidential Debate.

 

Did you bother to read my post on co-ops? I've always maintained that employee-owned companies are the best solution in all of this stuff.

 

You could at least give him credit for spelling them correctly.

 

Unions serve a very important and useful role in our society. it is a shame that a few bad apples spoil the bunch as it seems that this board attaches some kind of negative stigma with being in a union. For whatever small disadvantages or inequities arise from them, overall they help stabilize and insure fairness in the workplace and union workers, in general, are good hard working people.

 

I doubt you'd like it if all real estate agents had to throw their respective sales into a big kitty and everyone was compensated equally. I know I wouldn't like it in my job...as a fully-commissioned sales representative.

 

I'm completely not getting your point here.

Personally I've put the effort into developing innovations at 3 companies I worked for.

A union job where I designed some safety equipment to prevent an injury that was repeatedly happening on the assembly line.

The Federal Government (a quasi-union job) where I contributed several plans and ideas to save taxpayer money.

A "small" business (120 employees) that started in the owner's garage and grew into a success because of the sincere gratitude and care the owner had for his employees, whom despite not being represented by a union he paid them union-level wages and perks.

As for employee-owned companies, ask a Bi-Mart employee how that's working out for them.

 

My point is, that for the "most" part, where production/innovation incentive exists, so does excellence. Unions are essentially socialized environments that don't promote that kind of activity.............only "equality" for all.....dead wood, or not.

PS: What's up with Bi-Mart?

 

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