Zombie THE 2012 BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE - THE BATTLE OF CHAPLIN HILLS II

On the contrary, nearly all union jobs offer cash incentives for innovative ideas from their employees. I received nearly $4,000 total for my several ideas at the union shop and the Feds. The small business gave me a raise.

Bi-Mart is employee-owned, pays slave wages, works people part-time mostly and has no real bennies to speak of.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb, here, and say that you speak of exceptional situations. Good for you for being incented in your union positions. I have never encountered that in the 3 union jobs I have worked for. I have worked for, both, union, and non-union shops. In fact, I worked for a non-union print shop, whereas the union was attempting every dirty trick in the book to get the employees to come over to their "side". Oh, let me reiterate, it was the union "leaders" who were attempting such tactics. Gee, I wonder why?

 

I have been part of a union and I don't get what you are saying about innovation. I understand some skate by and do the minimum required to not get fired. But most union members I know are eligible for promotions, step increases and level increases based on merit. If you are good and contributing, you will move up faster than others.

It was different for you?

 

It was. Much of it (raises and/or promotions) was based upon tenure....as opposed to merit.

 

Huh . . . and you left that at your age?

 

http://cog.kent.edu/lib/Wheatcroft5.htm

 

I found this to be a rather enlightening article on the subject:

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2006/0906bell.html

 

I was promoted and moved to Atlanta. Our company was eventually bought out and I was let go...along without 200 others. Hence, I'm back "home".

 

https://prospect.org/article/vice-presidential-face-gif-ified

 

Thought this was a good post on a work related message board I go to every once in awhile:

 

I've been in 3 unions as well. It was a very disappointing experience.

 

I've been in one. It's been really fulfilling.

 

Well I'm with you Mick, I was in one for 10 years and I found it to be a good and fair experience

And for all the bad experiences with a union, there are also many bad experiences for employees who aren't union. Employee without an employee contract (most) have very little rights.

 

Afghanistan: Ryan's argument was that we shouldn't have given a date certain as to when we leave as the Taliban just wait us out. Ryan's argument was that one Afghani soldier doesn't equal one US soldier. Ryan's argument was that we shouldn't have soldiers leaving during the fighting season. And Biden's position was more substantive? Really?

Medicare: Ryan presented a plan to save Medicare for people under 55. The math is inevitable. If we continue the program as it is, it will die. He pointed out that Obamacare double counted $716B and even explained it. Biden still didn't understand. Ryan explained how he wasn't presenting a voucher plan, rather simply offering people a choice, government or private health insurance. The Obama/Biden plan is to eliminate Medicare Advantage, wrap parts of Medicare into Obamacare and not tell the American people that everyone's health care costs are going up. Ryan provided numbers and actual projections while Biden provided unicorns, lollypops and rainbows. He just hopes it works out the way he presented. Yet in your mind Biden was superior on substance? The only superior substance Biden had was pharmaceutical.

Taxes: Ryan used real numbers and discussed two times it had been done before, once in 1986 when Biden was a Senator. Shouldn't he have remembered? The Romney/Ryan position is that you cut $1.2B in taxes and then work with the Congress to find $1.1B in closing loopholes. In other words, the Romney/Ryan position is to work with Congress rather than dictating from on high. The Obama/Biden strategy is to continue presenting budgets that don't even get a single Democratic vote while having Harry Reid pocket the budgets passed in the House, basically working on a baseline from 2008. And Biden had superior substance? He doesn't even understand history.

---CNN: Forty-eight percent of those surveyed said Ryan fared better in the vice-presidential debate, compared with 44 percent for Biden, according to results aired on CNN after the event concluded. The results were within the survey’s five-percentage- point margin of error.

---NBC: Ryan was declared the winner over Biden by 63 percent to 31 percent in a poll of 534 uncommitted voters conducted by NBC News after the debate. Fifty-six percent thought Biden would be an effective president if necessary, compared with Fifty-four percent for Ryan, according to the CBS poll.

---CNBC: According to a tweet from CNBC's verified Twitter account, an after-debate poll shows Ryan crushing Biden 56 - 36% [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8

---Danville Advocate Messenger: Post Debate Polls: 56 Percent Say Paul Ryan Won Vice Presidential Debate, 41% Biden

 

Or the company could keep that extra money, invest it and create more jobs. The more people employed, the more competition there is for labor, and the more the wages rise. See? You don't need the externality of a union to accomplish that goal.

Unions saved this country from a revolution at the turn of the 19th/20th Century. Like the buggy whip, however, they've outlived their usefulness.

 

No wonder you support Romney. You're out of touch with the middle class, the proverbial straw that stirs the drink in regards to the economy.