Obama vs. Romney: ROUND III

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    What did President Obama need to do, in your opinion?
     
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    [video=youtube;cPgfzknYd20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20[/video]
     
  3. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    You say that as if it's a bad thing. People the world over choose their government, either through action or through inaction. Maybe they'd be better off left to their own devices. Seems like our military is creating nanny states abroad.
     
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    Yes, it's a bad thing. If you think that Poles in 1946 "chose their own government", or that the Chinese in 1920 "chose their own government", or that the Afghans in 1996 "chose their own government", then I really don't know what to say.

    As for "nanny states", I don't quite know what you mean. Which countries qualify for your definition? Kosovo/the Balkans? Germany and Japan? Iraq and Afghanistan? Vietnam?

    "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." -Burke
     
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    This is good--repped for sharing. I may have to watch this. Perhaps this deserves its own thread.
     
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    Q. What's the difference between Barack Obama and a bayonet?
    A. One is a useless tool. The other is still used by the US Marines.

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    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    Hurry, we need to borrow more money from the Japanese to build bayonets!

    We need bigger and better ones, with stealth technology! The lack of bayonets in our military is our number one threat to national security!
     
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    Embarrassing that we had more bayonets for the military sevices in 1916 than we do today. :)
     
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    I just found it funny that the CIC didn't know that the Marines still use, and still train with, bayonets. Obama's snarky condescension only proved how little he knows about the military he supposedly leads.
     
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    Embarrassing that Romney had the exact number of ships that the Navy claims they need, and instead of acknowledging that fact, the CIC instead went for points with the fart and giggle crowd. It worked for that crowd, but then again, he already had their vote.

    LANDSLIDE
     
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    How are we to believe anything either one says:



    ROMNEY: "Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey and Iraq. And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations. And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. And then in those nations, and on Arabic TV, you said that America had been dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations."

    OBAMA: "Nothing Gov. Romney just said is true, starting with this notion of me apologizing. This has been probably the biggest whopper that's been told during the course of this campaign. And every fact checker and every reporter who's looked at it, governor, has said this is not true."

    THE FACTS: Romney has indeed repeatedly and wrongly accused the president of traveling the world early in his presidency and apologizing for U.S. behavior. Obama didn't say "sorry" in those travels. But in this debate, Romney at last explained the context of his accusation: not that Obama apologized literally, but that he had been too deferential in his visits to Europe, Latin America and the Muslim world.

    Obama said while abroad that the U.S. acted "contrary to our traditions and ideals" in its treatment of terrorist suspects, that "America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracy," that the U.S. "certainly shares blame" for international economic turmoil and has sometimes "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even divisive" toward Europe. Yet he also praised America and its ideals.

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    OBAMA: "What I think the American people recognize is, after a decade of war, it's time to do some nation-building here at home. And what we can now do is free up some resources to, for example, put Americans back to work, especially our veterans, rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools."

    THE FACTS: If Romney's "apology tour" was a campaign whopper, so has been Obama's repeated claim that ending expensive wars meant the U.S. now has money to spend at home. There is no such peace dividend because the wars were financed largely by borrowing.

    Yet Obama, too, watched his words a little more carefully Monday night, with his milder suggestion that "some resources" are freed up. That's a more plausible point, if only because U.S. "resources" include the ability to continue to go deeper in debt, but for the purpose of fixing roads, bridges and the like, instead of for making war.

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    ROMNEY: "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."

    THE FACTS: Iran has a large southern coastline with access to the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. And it has no land border with Syria.

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    ROMNEY: Said that when he was Massachusetts governor, high-school students who graduated in the top quarter "got a four-year, tuition-free ride at any Massachusetts public institution of higher learning."

    OBAMA: "That happened before you came into office."

    ROMNEY: "That was actually mine, actually, Mr. President. You got that fact wrong."

    THE FACTS: Romney was right. The John and Abigail Adams scholarship program began in 2004 when he was governor.
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  13. maxiep

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    I was the only one surprised by the tone of each candidate? Romney acted like the front-runner protecting a lead, which I would have chalked up to bad information on his side or a tactical mistake. However, President Obama acted like a challenger, who had ground to make up in the race. To me, that says the internals of both parties are saying the same thing.

    Chuck Todd touched on it on Twitter: “POTUS is consistently trying to draw Romney into a more contentious debate. It's what challengers do who think they are behind”

    This morning, Rasmussen had the race spreading one point in either direction. Previously it had been 49/47 Romney over President Obama. Today it's 50/46. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
     
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    This is pretty astute. However, the publicly available polling data has to scare the Obama team these days.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html

    Obama has fallen to +1.9 in Ohio, down from +2.5 just two days ago and +2.1 yesterday.

    In the polls taken in the past 7 days, Obama was +3 in Fox News Poll and +5 in CBS News Poll, but +1 or tied in 4 others.


    Ohio is Obama's actual hope of preventing Romney from taking the electoral college.

    Also interesting is Obama is spending time in Florida today. Romney's RCP average there has slipped to +1.8 there.
     
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    After the first debate, Obama could not have afforded to be passive in the next two debates. I think even if Obama camp thought they had the lead, they know how quickly that can go if Obama comes out flat and doesn't appear to wnat his job.

    I also think Romney played it smart because foreign policy just isn't his strength. He needed to come out cool and collected, not get too invovled in specifics about other countries and keep tying the topics back to the economy saying we will be stronger in foreign affairs if our country is economically sound. Romney being aggressive in this area could have casued major damage, IMO.

    But your are right in Romeny is at the stage where he doesn't have a nothing to lose attack president mode and Obama is fighting hard for re-election. And you could be right that internally in both parties, there is a feeling Romney is on his way to steal this election.
     
  17. maxiep

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    It looks like that Mason/Dixon outlier poll (Romney +7) was washed out of the averages.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/fl/florida_romney_vs_obama-1883.html#polls
     
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    Aren't submarines and aircraft carriers considered part of the naval fleet of ships?
     
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    A couple of other thoughts about the behavior of the President in the last debate. Could it be that he thinks the middle is gone, so he's trying to motivate his base? It seemed there was a lot of red meat for those on the Left. He may think it's going to have to be a base election, a la 2004.

    Secondly, I've always thought of him as disciplined, but could it be that he has such disdain for Romney personally that he can't help but be snarky? If so, that's a fatal weakness.
     

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