49.7 million Americans in poverty

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  1. jlprk

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    Whoopee, Carter had 1 bad year of inflation. It had been building for years before him, but the 1979 Iranian revolution made for a lot of uncertainty in oil prices.

    No matter how many negative stats you can find about the last 4 years, Obama's 326 electoral vote mandate should tell you to give up. Everyone except the Republican minority blames Bush for the Obama economy.
     
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    Carter had 4 years of what you'd expect from a terrible presidency.

    No more, no less.
     
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    For 40 years, Republicans have been so embarrassed over Nixon that they have whipped Carter, a fine president.
     
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    You're right it doesn't stop poverty; people working hard and stop accepting hand me downs will solve poverty.
     
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    this is one of the great republican lies. what, do you think the people who are poverty-stricken are just lazy? there's no such thing as bad circumstances? do you know how many blue collar jobs have been shipped out of the country in the past 50 years?
     
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    No he didn't. What?
     
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    I know how many have been shipped out because of the federal and state government setting higher taxes more restrictions and regulations. So if a business can go across borders and save themselves billions is a bad decision?
     
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    this may be a bit of a thread hijack, but I think the question needs to be asked....what obligation does, say, Ford or Boeing or any other US-based multi-national corporation have to employ a US adult at a minimum wage set by the government?
     
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    Minimum wage is a federal law (Fair Labor Standards Act) enforced by the Dept. of Labor. I think companies with less than $1M in revenue and that do not operate across state lines are exempt. States may enact their own minimum wage. Where both state and federal minimum wage applies to a worker, the higher wage is used.
     
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    I guess my question is what obligation is there to provide Americans jobs? Why should a company not outsource as much as possible, as cheaply as possible? Why pay me $30/hr + benefits when some 16 y/o in India will do it for 5 dollars a day? Why do you never see Americans working on cruise lines? Because they are able to hire international people for $450/mo. to work 10months on /2 months off, 70-80 hrs a week and the people are not only happy to have a job, but have money to send home. Do you think the call center employees in the Philippines are getting minimum wage to answer your phone? What obligation is there to set up one in Scranton, PA where your labor costs are 5-10x more expensive?
     
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    There is some balance where you pay people too little and they can't afford to buy what you make and sell.

    Up periscope to spy on the cruise liners?
     
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    boomers run away from them, though there aren't a whole lot of cruise liners where we operate.
     
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    good point Denny, ei Henry Ford
     
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    So, Romney misstated.....meant 49 mil, rather than 49%? :dunno:

    ;)
     
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    That was a great link. The analogies aren't perfect, but they do address my main beefs with Obama, which are to take credit for taking from some and giving to others while having no sacrifice of his own, and then calling himself the hero and those who he is taking from the villains. It is warped, when you really think about it.
     
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    Yes, yes it is. It's placing profits over people. Those people are now jobless, many of them veterans, live in poverty stricken areas of the country and did not receive college educations. And you are saying that they're lazy because what, they have a family to feed and need government assistance? How are they supposed to find jobs when what they know how to do is being shipped overseas so CEOs can get pay raises? This has been going on for decades.
     
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    Everyone has a responsibility to keep their skills up to date. If they don't, they get left behind. No one is owed a job. I know what I wrote sounds cold, but that outlook provides the best possible society for all. A society works best when everyone is working on self-improvement, when they're willing to pull the cart. It's when people give up or decide that they'll just take government assistance is when we're in trouble. And right now we have too many people riding in the cart. In the long run, a society simply can't function under those conditions.
     
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    No one is owed a job, sure. But due to our labor laws (i.e. industry regulations) people lost and are still losing their jobs. "Keeping your skills up to date" means "go into the service economy because the job you had is cheaper when done by someone in China." Go ahead, family farmers out of work, "work on self-improvement." I'm sure one of you will pull yourself up by your bootstraps and strike it rich because of your essential American greatness.
     

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