Republicans, can I ask an honest question about racism

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  1. jlprk

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    Next time you do this thread, ask only about nonsemantic racism. Words like cracker do not equal not hiring millions of people, terrorizing them with hangings, not letting them into college, etc.
     
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  2. Further

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    Thanks for answering my questions.

    Ill have to think about some of the responses. So, if liberal/conservative plays such a passive role in racism, what plays a stronger role? Geography? Religion?
     
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    Lack of exposure to different people. Once you realize people are just people, it's easy enough to get over the superiority/inferiority thing.
     
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    I don't get it.
     
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    You're kidding right? That is absolutely racism.

    I'm referring to the 2008 democratic primaries. The white vote was split very evenly between Obama and Clinton. The black vote was ~97% for Obama. Clearly it wasn't about political differences between Clinton and Obama.

    Probably because there are a lot more white people in this country. Percentage-wise, I guarantee you are wrong.

    Strawman.
     
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    This is complete garbage. To think that something can only be racist if it has "historical weight" is incredibly ignorant.
     
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    Define racism.
     
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    Speaking only for myself, my vote had nothing to do with the race or religion of the candidate.

    It's hard for a young-ish white male to talk about racism. I've always been of the opinion that racism is something that's felt by the victim/recipient. Since 95% of those of African-American descent voted (D), and ~70% of hispanic voters voted (D), then I don't think it's a crazy coincidence that the discourse over race A) paints it as a political leaning somehow and b) is dominated by the left. :dunno:
     
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    Look it up yourself. Racism doesn't require historical context.
     
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    No, racism does not require historical context. The difference between the N word and cracker absolutely is about historical context.
     
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    That wasn't the point of this thread or anything I mentioned in any of my posts, including the one you quoted.

    Take your strawman elsewhere.
     
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    Julius wrote about the difference between the N word and cracker. You put up the strawman about RACISM NOT REQUIRING HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

    The difference between the words does, racism doesn't.
     
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    They're both racist. They have different historic context, but they're both still racist. THAT'S THE POINT.
     
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    That's why I asked you to define racism.

    One is racist, the other is not.
     
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    Um, no it doesn't. Otherwise white people voting for Romney is racism.

    which does not equal racism.

    Ok, not the # but the %s.
    You are aware what i was saying, right? Because it sure looks like you had no idea what i was saying. If you did, you wouldn't have called it a strawman because I was basically saying that white people voting for Romney doesn't make that person a racist.

    But hey, thanks for not paying attention to anything I said.
     
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    never said that it can only be racist.
     
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    Replace Obama with a white or hispanic candidate with the exact same views. How many Obama voters would switch and vote for Romney?

    I'm guessing darn few....which rather undermines the racism argument.
     
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    good point. It's not like all the sudden blacks started voting for democrats after generations of voting for republicans. And it's not like hispanics didn't vote for R's ever before (iirc, they were a strong and solid group for GWB in 00 and 04).
     
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    if women vote for hillary that means they are sexist
     
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    I think one of the problems with discussing racial issues is everything is blank and white (pardon the pun). what I mean, is that everything is being labeled as racist or not racist, when there are shades of grey. Take the n-word vs cracker discussion from above. If there were a scale of racism from 1 to 10, most would agree that the n-word is a nine or ten. But cracker also falls on that scale. It is nowhere as racist as the n-word, but can certainly be racist, especially in the right context. So cracker might be a two or a three, next to the nine or ten of the n-word. So one side sees that there is some racism in the word and wants to label it racist, and the other side doesn't want to label it as racist because that diminishes just how racist the n-word is.

    That sounds kind of like I was just rambling, but oh well, my thoughts are in there somewhere.
     
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