Republicans, can I ask an honest question about racism

Just because someone didn't experience Jim Crow doesn't mean they haven't experienced racism.

I remember some incidents directed at my dad when I was a kid growing up in Portland. Weird, disturbing, and/or odd things that would be blatant enough for a kid to notice.

 

though, Maxiep, just as I would feel uncomfortable telling anyone of Jewish descent "get over the Holocaust, already" I think it's counterproductive to say "if you call yourself a *****, I can, too, homey" or "Yeah, so I said 'don't re-Nig Obama'--get over it" or some such. That's not to say you can't have a view that Israeli foreign policy is bad, or that you notice that many of the stakeholders in Hollywood are Jewish. In that same vein you should be allowed to disagree with the administration, or to observe that 92% of African-American voters vote (D). But American discourse (especially politically) has deteriorated to:
-if you dislike the President's policies, it's probably b/c you're a racist.
-if you vote (R), you most likely hate women and homosexuals and are a xenophobe

Is that racism? I don't know. Is it positive? Imho, no.

 

Being able to live somewhere doesn't mean we've gotten over it.

Like the black guys who fought during WWI and WWII, and were asked why they were fighting for a country that treated them like crap at home, and they said "it's my country too".

 

We are a nation of immigrants. The only group of immigrants, for the most part, that did not come here willingly were the african slaves.

Something that is not often mentioned, FWIW.

 

WTF?!? My father is one of the toughest people I know. The racism he experienced didn't hold him back. Some of it was so stupid that there was no way that it could hold anyone back. And yes, racism exists everywhere. I never said life wasn't fair or my father felt that life wasn't fair. What a completely asshole post to make Maxie.

 

the holocaust was not over 200-300+ years of continual LEGAL abuse of, the murder OF and domination of one group over another. And even though their #'s were decimated, there wasn't a continual, LEGAL avenue for Germans to discriminate against Jews after the war ended.

The people who were in charge of the holocaust did not remain in power, or control their government. They did not change the rules to favor "real" Germans. Yes, there were issues and discrimination.

Just because Slavery ended in 1865, did not mean that black people went "oh, I remember what we lost, and it'll never happen again".

They still had to deal with being considered non human and non "American" for many decades later.

It's easy as a non minority to say people need to stop making excuses for their lack of achievement, when systematically, minorities have been held down by our culture. Yes, there are many who have found levels of achievement, but you cannot deny that our society has held down different groups of our society.

As for the "would they enjoy living back in Africa" comment....I'm not even sure how to address that. There's only so much condescending, and dismissive attitudes one can read before you want to stop listening to people. It's really easy for someone who (I assume) come from a background that did not experience prejudice and racism to tell others they need to get over it.

It's like telling someone who got molested to "get over it", when it's really easy for someone who was never molested to get over something they never experienced.

 

So why does it matter what they voted in the primaries then?

And again, voting for someone who looks like you DOES NOT EQUAL RACISM.

jesus fucking cheese sticks.

 

Yep, racism is over with because we have 3 black people who are prominent.

And yep, we're saying America is cruel and unfair. You pegged us.

 

Take it to another level...I won't, under any circumstance, vote for Patty Murray in large part b/c she's one of the least intellectually capable people in politics, and I include all of the R's who think rape is ok to opine about. I may very well vote for the next female (D) that comes onto the ballot.

If you were to ask me why, I could cite multiple examples...however, that would take a lot more intellectual capability and effort than to say "he doesn't want to vote for a woman".

 

your stats don't make the argument you think it does. It's not like blacks went from voting all for every democrat to all the sudden "what? a black person? Ooh...Me vote for him!"

You're also projecting a lot there, by assuming that is why. Because it's not like blacks (as a collective voting block) haven't voted for Democrats in big numbers.

So....black people vote based on skin color, but white people vote based on politics?

Fallacies are a neat thing.

I've never denied it (in fact, I addressed it a few times in this thread...one time in which you called a strawman response..which made no sense).

I'm not sure how you equate feeling guilty with pointing out that voting based on skin color is racism, because then it implies a lot about the rest of the country that I'm not willing to admit is true.
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the primary vote, and act like I can't figure out what you're saying.

Maybe you should re-address it so your point is clearer. Because it sure isn't.

 

to which side are you addressing that too?

 

those trying to tie voting results to racism. A lot can go into how someone votes. Me looking at stats to say "they wanted someone who looked like them/had sex like them/goes to the same church as them" is easy and intellectually dishonest, imho. But it happens all the time.

I don't think that SF is full of raging feminist, isolationist tax-dodgers just b/c 20% of them voted for Patty Sheehan to oust Nancy Pelosi.