Why are psychedelics the only real ILLEGAL drug?

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Heroin (diacetylmorphine)
    Legal to prescribe in: United Kingdom, Netherlands, Hong-Kong, Canada and much more other places.
    Morphine is similar to heroin it is generally used in all hospitals as a pain reliever and it can be prescibed in pretty much any country for the same purpose.


    Meth/Speed (Methamphetamin,Amphetmine)
    Is prescribed to treat ADHD
    Brand names of medications that contain, or metabolize into, amphetamine include Adderall, Dexedrine, Dextrostat, Desoxyn, ProCentra, and Vyvanse, as well as Benzedrine in the past.


    Cocaine (benzoylmethylecgonine)
    Cocaine can actually be prescribed in American but it rarely is but... Methylphenidate (Ritalin) has similar effect on your body as cocaine.

    Methylphenidate, a Schedule II substance, has a high potential for abuse and produces many of the same effects as cocaine or the amphetamines.

    marijuana (Tetrahydrocannabinol, THC)
    Can be prescribed in 12 states in America.

    Then we have Alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine all the drugs that are highly addicting and really damaging to the body and mind perfectly legal and washed deeply into our minds. We see these drugs hundreds if not thousands a time a week.

    As I don't see anything wrong with people who smoke weed; I believe all the other drugs can be extremely harmful and very addicting. Personally, I believe that the government demonizes psychedelics because it brings up questions, free thinking and mind expansion.

    I think the federal governments want to control us. They want us to consume and oppress. The last thing they need are people to actually open their eyes and actually question the broken system.

    They want people to buy things they want instead of getting things they need. They would much rather third world country "A" require help from our government; but at the cost of profit.

    And I am a Republican; but this statement is very liberal. Maybe I'm confused. Personally, I believe that everyone should experience enlightenment and question the system. You don't necessarily need psych to help you on this journey. I heard meditation works well too.

    I just question why the federal government black lists these types of chemicals. I mean they won't even allow professionals to use these drugs for help in therapy and mental disorders.
     
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    I do believe most drugs should be legal but have certain ones only availabe to be bought and consumed in a red light type district. Psychedelics need to be a little better controlled then marry jane if legalized because of the dumbasses who might operate machines while under the influence.

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  3. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I 100% agree. I think that only trained professionals in the field of psychiatry can prescribe this. In fact, possibly only allowing the patient to consume this drug in the presence of a trained professional. But to not even allow psychatrists to use this as a tool is insane!
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    Most legal drugs are uppers. Productivity, my man, productivity!

    I agree with your takes on legality of psychedelics. My one use was in a pretty controlled environment with a lot of experienced users, and it was FANTASTIC... side effect: I was able to speak Spanish fluently (so fluently, the teacher wondered what had happened) for about 6 weeks afterward. My Spanish grade went from a D+ before the trip to finishing the class with a B+.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Here is some positive research made with LSD:

    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/186/6/457.short

     
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    Really? I think most drugs should be legalized merely because of the cost of enforcing the laws. However, I definitely DO NOT believe that you gain anything by taking them.
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    If you stop taking psychedelics, you'll stop hallucinating about the federal government wanting to control us.
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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  9. magnifier661

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    I assume you've tried them before to base that opinion. But it's really quite simple. When a person takes psychedelics; they perceive a different reality. They are aware of just how powerful your mind truly is. The ability to see something and it becomes something else; has a very "spiritual"; not religious mind you; side of things. You begin to perceive that just because something is black, doesn't mean it has to be black. Just because something is round; doesn't mean you can't make something round square.

    This type of thinking has lead to very "innovated" thinkers like:

    Francis Crick — LSD
    Francis Crick — of the DNA-structure discovering Watson, Crick, and Franklin — reportedly told numerous friends and colleagues about his LSD experimentation during the time he spent working to determine the molecular structure that houses all life's information.

    In fact, in a 2004 interview, Gerrod Harker recalls talking with Dick Kemp — a close friend of Crick's — about LSD use among Cambridge academics, and tells the Daily Mail that the University's researchers often used LSD in small amounts as "a thinking tool." Evidently, Crick at one point told Kemp that he had actually "perceived the double-helix shape while on LSD." [Image via NYT]

    Steve Jobs — LSD
    LSD was a big deal for Steve Jobs. How big? Evidently, Jobs believed that experimenting with LSD in the 1960s was "one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life." What's more, he felt that there were parts of him that the people he knew and worked with could not understand, simply because they hadn't had a go at psychedelics."

    John C. Lilly — LSD, Ketamine
    Neurocientist John C. Lilly was a pioneer in the field of electronic brain stimulation. He was the first person to map pain and pleasure pathways in the brain; founded an entire branch of science exploring interspecies communication between humans, dolphins, and whales; invented the world's first sensory deprivation chamber; and conducted extensive personal experimentation with mind-altering drugs like LSD and ketamine.

    It bears mentioning that Lilly's experiments with interspecies communication, personal psychedelic use, and sensory deprivation often overlapped.

    Richard Feynman — LSD, Marijuana, Ketamine
    Feynman was always careful about drug use, for fear of what it might do to his brain — giving up alcohol, for example, when he began to exhibit symptoms of addiction. In Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!, he writes, "You see, I get such fun out of thinking that I don't want to destroy this most pleasant machine that makes life such a big kick. It's the same reason that, later on, I was reluctant to try experiments with LSD in spite of my curiosity about hallucinations."

    Nevertheless, Feynman's curiosity got the best of him when he became acquainted with none other than John C. Lilly and his sensory deprivation tanks. Feynman experimented briefly with LSD, ketamine, and marijuana, which he used to bring on isolation-induced hallucinations more quickly than he could when sober.

    Kary Mullis — LSD
    Who, you may be asking, is Kary Mullis? Let's put it this way: If you've worked in a biomedical research lab since the 1980's, there is an exceedingly good chance you've performed a polymerase chain reaction (aka PCR, the lab technique that can turn a single segment of DNA into millions of identical copies), or are at least familiar with it. You have Mullis to thank for that. While Mullis didn't invent the PCR technique, per se, he improved upon it so significantly as to revolutionize the field of biomedical research, securing himself a Nobel Prize in chemistry in the process.

    The secret to Mullis' breakthrough? In a September, 1994 issue of California Monthly, Mullis says that he "took plenty of LSD" In the sixties and seventies, going so far as to call his "mind-opening" experimentation with psychedelics "much more important than any courses [he] ever took." A few years later, in an interview for BBC's Psychedelic Science documentary, Mullis mused aloud: "What if I had not taken LSD ever; would I have still invented PCR?" To which he replied, "I don't know. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it."
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    And if you think the government isn't trying to control us; then maybe you should "start taking psychedelics".
     
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    Cocaine is also used in some surgerys as a numbing agent.

    Ecastcy is is actually one of the safest drugs in the world if taken in its pure form and not used regularly. And it feels really good. ;) Ecastcy also has some medical benifits used by fringe psycologists as a way to help people deal with extreme tradgey and terminal illiness.

    LSD, mushys and mescaline also have psycological benifits of personal insight and perception.

    All drugs should be legal or decriminalised. When you tell people they are only bad and can't have them people want to find out for themselves. Education and rehabilitation is the most effective form of prevention, and promoting safe use when used is equally important.
     
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    Yeah man I agree. The only issue with MDMA is how much it could strain your seretonin receptors with over use. In fact, there have been cases where patients have become even more depressed and could cause irreparable harm to these receptors.

    Although, it's a fun drug and does make your body feel like it's on cloud 9.

    Also, did you know the LD-50 of LSD is 1,000 times the threshold dose? It's safer than any other drug on the planet physically. Yet the government allows people to purchase tobacco legally that kills millions each year.
     
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    I just had a flashback to 1969. Peace, man.
     
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    meth should be eradicated like polio
     
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    Anything in excess is going to be bad for you, even cheeseburgers. Also if you mix XTC with alcohol really weird things start happeing. Ive lost hours of my night and ended up in strange places putting those together to the point of being scary when I think back to it. My only saving grace was that I was feeling so good that it would be hard to really piss anyone off. "Hey man, fuck you!". "Yes! fuck me! EVERYONE!"

    Thats facinating about the LD of LSD. I would recomend an LSD trip to everyone at some point in their life. I however abused it as a teenager and tripped bad at a Greatful Dead concert to the point of permantly poisoning myself against it. The time I spent on it expanded my realm of conciousness though and changed me forever in how I view the world and life and death. I do caution though that just cause the physcial LD of that drug is pretty high the negative mental effects of a permafry can mess you up at a much lower dose.

    But with all the negative effects of drug put together do not equal the negative effects of our war on drugs, which includes the low grade cut with crappy impurities you get from non regulated street sources.
     
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    You make a great point on the mental safety of the drug. And if you review the 5 part series I posted above; they explain that in detail. The real point I'm making is with the right setting and a trained and experienced professional; LSD can be a wonderful tool to break down mental negativity that one creates through drama, stress, depression or other harmful emotional behaviors. I believe our sub conscience have endless barriers built and stored of things we try to forget. The problem is, they are still there; it's just hiding from our conscience mind.

    When I've taken large doses of LSD or Psilocybin; I've been able to go deep into that sub conscience and see my problem, deal with it and make peace with it. After the trip, although extremely terrifying at times, leaves me with a feeling of accomplishment and peace. I am much more calm and understanding than I was before. I realize that life is about knowing and accepting who you are and working towards being a better person.
     
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    Yeah that would be great man! And stop giving it to ADHD kids too.
     
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    Interesting. Doesn't change my opinion though. Just because these high-achieving people took drugs doesn't mean they benefited by it. I don't believe there has ever been a study that proves they are beneficial. It's really just a matter of how much they harm you IMO. And yes, I've done my share of drugs.
     

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