Ummmmm.... I don't know, MAYBE BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING CRAZY?!? Why do you think this guy shot 3 people and then killed himself? Because he was sane?
Mine wasn't an anti gun agenda. Maybe if you had paid attention to what I said here AND in the other thread, you'd notice that I'm not against guns, I'm against certain people having access to them and certain types being legal to buy.
Wait, when did I make the argument above that everyone should be armed, or that this would never happen? You're right, he could have killed someone else, which is why he didn't fire. He specifically said he didn't fire because he was worried he'd miss and hit someone else. But his mere presence, I think, spooked the guy and most likely prevented him from shooting more people. But seriously, you and others like to point out that if he had not been able to gain access to guns, this wouldn't have happened. I'm just curious how you would go about making that happen. We already know he stole the gun from a friend who acquired it legally. How would you go about making it so that he couldn't gain access to a gun?
Serious answer, he sprays bullets all over the place. Gun jams. He fucks with gun, to get it unjammed. Gun ready to fire again. Looks around and everyone has run away. No targets. Hears sirens. Goes to back hallway and kills himself. The End
parental responsibility. not having the guns available in the first place. cost prohibitive prices for certain styles of guns. people being responsible with their guns (locked up, and not easily accessible by people who aren't the owners). the proper help he needed to begin with (the guy was obviously in need of help).
it's not anti gun, as much as pro not letting people have semi automatic weapons because they really don't have any reasonable or rational reason to have one. I would guess most people have guns for either hunting or for defense. If you need more than a glock or 22 for defense, maybe a regular old rifle. Not sure an AR-15 is useful for self defense anymore than a 22 is or a hand gun. If you feel you have to use one of the semi automatic or fully automatic guns for hunting, you need to seriously find a new sport
Well first off I'm still not sure if that guy's gun was really "stolen". I haven't heard a complete story about this. When did the guy realize his gun was stolen. Did he file a police report? Did he have a idea of who might have stolen it? Or is he just claiming after the fact that the gun was stolen?
You don't think the shooter was crazy? Honestly? I'm speculating that shooting up a shopping mall is not normal behavior?!?
not saying this is the case, but if I was this guys friend and I kind of knew he was a little loony, and let him use my gun (thinking he'd just got out in the woods to light up some beer cans or something) and he did this I'd sure as fuck claim it as stolen.
i didnt see in the article where the gunman saw hero guy, or that he made him retreat...did i miss something?
I heard this morning that the kid in Connecticut tried to use his brother's ID and buy a gun this past Tuesday. He was turned down. So in both of these shootings it wasn't the gun laws that failed it was the legal and registered owners of the guns that failed to keep them properly secured.
Parental responsibility: is a joke in today's society. Parents don't want to take responsibility, they want to blame someone else, like the parents of that kid who died from skiing into a tree. There will always be irresponsible people, either with guns or alcohol, or drugs, or whatever. Not having the guns available in the first place: okay, so how does this work? Outlaw guns entirely? Round up all the guns in the country and destroy them? Go back in time and uninvent guns? Just really not sure how this world without guns would come to be. Cost prohibitive prices: Okay, so he uses a non-cost prohibitive gun instead of a cost-prohibitive one. Shit, you can go out and get a 10/22 for a couple hundred bucks and a .22 bullet still does a lot of damage. People being responsible with their guns: again, this won't happen. In a perfect world this would be the case, but people are morons. They're going to leave their guns out where others can get to them. We could even implement fines, but short of going into people's homes and checking, how would you enforce it? Proper help for mentally ill: I agree with this, but this isn't gun related and would take time to implement.
Wrong. This guy Nick Meli speculated the following point: "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."
If the guy whose gun was stolen in the Clackamas shooting is lying about this or he didn't report it to the police for whatever reason he should be sent to prison for many many years. There should be severe criminal penalties for not being a responsible gun owner.
