Okay, and you could have cleared that up, but instead went on a rant about how I claimed you said things you didn't, and insinuating that I think everyone who wants restrictions on guns actually wants them banned entirely.
There is it. The gun-control crowd as bowel-evacuator argument. I'm surprised it took this long. Thanks for choosing bowels instead of bladder, since that one was used in the other thread already.
I think in terms of the Clackamas shooting, it's more about morality and social values, including respecting the value of a life, than it is the shooter being mentally crazy yet hiding it for 22 years from everybody who knew him. Talking about cultural norms and values is a conversation nobody wants to have, though. Guns have been around for as long as this country, yet these random acts of mass violence are relatively new to America. Since guns are used, there is obviously correlation, but there is no way that a legitimate case can be made for causation.
I'm just giving you shit. It's fine if you think that guy is a hero. I don't but I tend to be a skeptic. I'm not buying that the gun used in the CTC shooting was stolen (but willing to change my opinion once I hear more) and I'm not buying that some guy who claims to be the reason why the shooter shot himself. And one final thing, I would say that our views on gun control and ownership are fairly close. Like I said, the failure in these two shootings wasn't the gun laws, it was the gun owners.
I think his presence with the gun most likely hurried the guy out of the food court and led to nobody else being shot after he managed to clear his weapon.
You seem to think that killing someone means that somebody is mentally ill. I don't think you understand what goes into diagnosing somebody as being mentally ill. I mean, sure, it's crazy to shoot up a mall, but does that mean the person was mentally ill? I don't think it's that simple, but judging from your posts, you aren't interested in diving into deeper root causes.
There are many mental diseases and/or defects that don't manifest in a person until they are in their early 20's.
which is different from what you're doing right now....how? You're deflecting from what we're talking about by implying that because we are having a difference of opinion than you we're somehow cowards? good luck with that train of logic
I know this thread is a total fuckfest, but I never said anything with regards to the original post, the guy's claims, or their potential validity.
I do think it takes a different kind of person to be carrying a gun at all times (excluding cops etc) Not that it's good or bad
Sure, but you have no way of knowing if he was mentally ill, yet the claim seems to be that it is a fact.
