My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century concept.

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

really? if there is an armed guard at the local pawn shop, you dont think there should be some security at a school?

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

If they're such extreme statistical outliers, why should we bother, though?

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Easy, the article I linked to proves your end-of-the-world scenarios don't come true. All the arguments from the statists are stupid and statistically ignorant, they're just emotional.

Once it is shown that your positions have no economic or empirical merit, they are just fear mongering. Statists live in fear, look at Prez and compare his posts to yours.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

You don't have to, or you can.

It's not your choice to make for others.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

ok, whatever you say.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

no. The likelihood of a pawn shop being robbed at gun point is much higher than the likelihood of a shooting at a school. Pawn shops attract that element, elementary schools do not. Keeping kids locked up in the school the entire day with the doors all sealed shut is probably even a better deterrent.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

well, in a democracy, in a way, it is. Not directly, me saying no guns, so guns are outlawed. But I have the right to voice my opinion through a vote the same way people for guns in school do.

 

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I think everyone should voice their opinion.

Democracies aren't the best system to me, they ignore natural rights and turn into populism like in Latin America.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

well that was the case in CT, but the guy went through the glass..tere were som ebrave teacher that gave up their lives to protect those children...bet they would have been glad to have had a gun or someone on hand with one..

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Probably so. They would probably also have been glad if guns were illegal, making it unlikely he got those guns from his mom in the first place. Can go both ways after the fact.

 

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yeah, you can..but crazy is crazy..if they want to cause harm they will..I have seen it happen.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

if they want to they will. Somehow that only works for your argument. If he wanted to, really wanted to, and knew the teachers had guns, then it wouldn't stop him, would it? Again. Crazy. If he wants to, he will. He'd just have to escalate, theoretically. Maybe he bombs the school instead.

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

Yes. This guy was an autistic tactical genius. I'm sure he would have compensated and took the armed guards out first.

 

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pffft common man, most crazy people are not going to design their own personal atom bomb..but look what happened in OKC..
siple crazy takes a gallon of gas and a bic lighter and kills 96 children by burning down the school..oh and I have seen an armed teacher stop someone from threatening students..

 

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This wasn't a "crazy person". He was an Aspergers genius with an agenda.

The same kind of mental capacity to draw New York from memory. You don't think he couldn't have figured a way to kill people besides using a gun?

 

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Ok, well then you seem to contradict yourself. It doesn't have to be an atom bomb, let's not be ridiculous for the sake of it. You say crazy is crazy, and if he wants to hurt the people, he will. He knows he has very easy access to multiple guns. Ease of use, so a logical first choice. He knows teachers are unarmed. So feels ok with that. If he knows they're armed, does he go big? Su[pposedly that just stops him? Who knows. But it seems you only want to have it one way.

 

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ok

first choice was his moms guns, if she had no guns he would have figured some other way
not contradicting anything just pointing out that fertilizer bombs are easy to make
and no one can really say what this guy would have dome if the schooll had offered more security..yeah he could have gone bigger, with a bomb or he could have decided to burn down a mall or what ever..but being that he was able to kill his mom and dad and without feeling kill others..I am confident that he was determined to carry out evil

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

absolutely. He was determined, and smart enough to figure out alternatives. So how is arming teachers any more effective against someone like this than outlawing guns?

 

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obvious

this kid was an extreme, not everyone has this syndrom that is crazy

as I already stated no one knows if he would have gone big or if this was a target of opprotunity..he killed his mother while sleeping, I would think he was looking for the easy way..if the school had presented more of a challange, he may have gone else where..

out lawing guns does not stop this guy or other crazy people

 

Re: My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century conce

In my opinion, if they are determined, they will beg, borrow or steal a gun. There are millions of guns in the US, and there will still be lots of guns if they are outlawed. Once they decide they are going to kill people, they will. Armed (and TRAINED) teachers don't change the fact that the guy will kill people, but it is quite likely that armed teachers keep them from killing as many people as they wanted to when they started out, by killing the bad guy before the police show up.

Armed teachers doesn't stop the problem, it minimizes the destruction. Most of these guys don't plan to live through the event anyway, so the fact that someone else may kill them, instead of them killing themselves isn't much of a deterent. The best hope is to stop them as quickly as possible after they start shooting.

Bottom line, once they get into the building, people will die. Imo, the best way to minimize how many people die is to kill the intruder as quickly as possible. Armed teachers give you a much better chance of killing them quickly and stopping them from killing more children.

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