Would you still endorse the offer knowing what you know today?

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  1. blue9

    blue9 Well-Known Member

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    No, I judge him based on his entire career to this point.
     
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    Seems like judging him for his role in the offense, playing second fiddle to Roy also is an inaccurate assessment of him, compared to the player he became after Roy left.
     
  3. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    So he's been a "very good" player in your estimation?
     
  4. blue9

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    Statistically? Yes-ish.
    Actual basketball skills and play, not quite - but maybe he's getting there.
     
  5. Wizard Mentor

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    There seems to be some sort of $4-$5 million "big man tax." Considering what other big men in the league are making, Hibbert is worth it.
     
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    And where do you get "8 Max per year," Rollin?
     
  7. KeepOnRollin

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    Out of my butt quite honestly. But I think that is the case. The free agent crop is light EXCEPT for at Hickson's true position.

    Millsap's last contract was 4 years for 32 MIL. Seems like a good comparison. Most would "slightly" prefer Millsap. And guess who is a free agent again? The very same Millsap. He will likely get a raise but I am not predicting much of one. So average 9 MIL a year for arguments sake.

    I see Hickson coming in at 7.5 to 7.8 average per year for 3 or 4 years.
     
  8. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I would pay that
     
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    Atlanta might re-sign Josh Smith. However, he may want a huge payday.
    Utah should re-sign Millsap and possibly let Al Jefferson walk.
    I don't see many takers for an aging David West. He might find a home before Hickson, but I doubt he'll get as much $$$.
    Carl Landry has been basically a role player the last few years. I think any team would jump at the chance to sign Hickson before Landry any day of the week.
     
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    I would be ecstatic if our team got him at that price tag. I think it's unlikely, but I would definitely jump for joy, Mags!
     
  11. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Yeah me too! I think he's going to be around 9 mil per though. ANd personally I would pay that too.
     
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    9 mm per year for a player that doesn't really make you any better?
     
  13. KeepOnRollin

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    There is a lot of might's in there (to be fair there is in mine and everyone else's too however).

    I don't see Josh Smith going back to ATL at all unless Howard magically makes it there.
    Utah may let both walk as they have two young big's that they can't enough get minutes for.
    David West is aging. That appeals to some teams on the verge however and he is still getting it done.
    Carl Landry actually only gets 4 mins less per game then Hickson this year. You could say Hickson was a role-player until this year (and I love Hickson and want him to come back). Check out their comparison in advanced stats (pretty similar but of course I would take Hickson - other teams may not):
    http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=landrca01&y1=2013&p2=hicksjj01&y2=2013
     
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    If Landry gets 5 million or so a year, id rather grab him, especially if Leonard is ready for more minutes.
     
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    I think it is safe to say that if you take Hickson off the team (due to injury or whatever) and you replace him with what they term "replacement level player" that we are worse. I think Hollinger has a formula for this called VA or Value Added. Hollinger has him listed as a Center (because that is what he is playing) but his VA is 9th highest at that position. If you put him as a PF it would be 7th highest.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    That metric doesn't account for defense ... and Hickson is pretty bad at that end.
     
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    The metrics that do account for defense show Hickson is a better defender than Aldridge.
     
  18. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Hickson's on/off court figures are shockingly mediocre, especially considering the putrid aroma routinely arising from our bench. If Hickson were truly a difference maker, it would be reflected in the team's performance. It's not.
     
  19. KeepOnRollin

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    We can certainly play well without Hickson for half a game but if you take Hickson off the court permanently for the rest of the year then it would result in more losses for our team going forward than with him playing.
     
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    So I'm going a bit off on a tangent here...

    Even the most optimistic of us thought the Blazers as currently constructed would get 41-42 wins and sneak into the playoffs. Lillard and Batum are here to stay for the foreseeable future. Some want to explore trading LMA, some want to either trade JJ at the deadline or renounce him in FA.

    But if I'm reading this thread correctly, then the majority of you think that keeping the exact same team (without Babbitt, Williams, Smith Sasha and Price and without a draft pick this summer) and just adding 5M in salaries to fill up the bench (edit: and the 2.5M room exception) will make us a contender? If we do that, it's probably the last chance we have at anything more than an MLE contract for 3-4 years---when Lillard's going to get close to the (if not THE) max. I'm with you in not seeing JJ and LMA as the frontcourt that's hoisting a trophy. But you can't sign JJ to 7-10M a year for the next 4 years as a "backup PF-C/Carl Landry Plus" and still actually get a starting big man, especially without a draft pick this year and only later picks going forward.

    Now, if our core was Hibbert/LMA/Batum/Wes/Lillard, resign JJ with bird rights and use the MLE to fill out, then maybe you've got something. But that ship sailed.
     

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