WOLVES @ BLAZERS - GAME THREAD - 03.02.13, SATURDAY 7 PM - KGW/NBA TV

Doesn't make him a bad guy either.

 

Roy wasn't injured when he signed the contract. They knew he had no miniscus in his knees and it could cause big problems down the line but having no Miniscus (like Kobe and CP3) and not being able to play isn't the same thing.

 

And how is he a bad guy in this situation? How does it question his character at all?

He did absolutely nothing wrong.

 

All irrelevant to determining how much blame to apportion each member of Blazer management for knowing of Roy's injury, yet helping Roy get a max contract.

All taken from media accounts of Pritchard's firing.

 

Easy to answer, but let's flip it around. What makes him a good person?

 

You're the one questioning his character, say it's easy to answer why.... but then don't explain why he's not a good person.

Ooooooooooooooooook.

 

Blame his agent, if anyone.

 

Original sin. We are all inherently evil. I've been meaning to ask, is that the soooo-EY! sound of a pig?

 

Well based on all accounts and actions of when Roy was a blazer; I would say there is no significant data of him having hoops family shoving beer bottles up the va j js of women in hotel rooms. There just isn't any evidence that would pursued me otherwise.

Do you have any data explaining how bad of a guy he is?

 

There is a saying "the burden of proof is on the one accusing"

 

Odd criteria for being a "good guy." By that logic, each of the current Blazers and most of the rest of the league deserves the same type of love Roy's getting. You haven't explained how he's a good guy at all.

The Blazers gave him all kinds of love as a player, their whole advertising campaign was basically an attempt to paint Roy as a "good guy". How did he repay them? He went to the press using his "good guy" image to pressure the Blazers to give him a contract he in no way deserved (hence why we amnestied him).

The basic argument seems to be this: "I bought into all that Roy is a good guy stuff the Blazers forced down my throat. When it came time to show his character, well that's 'just business'".

So, I ask again. What did he do to justify being a "good guy"? Please, don't say stuff (like signing autographs) that every blazer does.

 

I just pointed out examples of someone being a bad guy. And there is no evidence I've seen that would pursued me to think he's a bad guy.

Then if there isn't much evidence that suggests he's a good guy; then that puts him right in the middle right? Seems you are the one that is accusing Roy of being a bad guy, so I ask you again. What evidence do you have that puts him as a bad guy?

This "flip around" doesn't apply because I'm not the one saying he's a good guy. I just said that there isn't evidence that proves he's not a bad guy and the evidence provided doesn't prove he isn't a good guy either.

 

Player's have a finite window in which to make a living as a professional athlete. Rookie scale contracts artificially suppress the "worth" of some players, particularly guys who start making all-star appearances on those contracts. When it came time for Roy's extension he was well within his rights to demand a raise commensurate with his past performance and to recoup four years of under-compensation. Just because he had a history of injuries didn't mean he should have negotiated against himself, or that there's some moral imperative or character issue wrapped up in a contract negotiation. If anything he owed it to the player's association to get the most money he could because getting the best deal raises the bar in similar negotiations with his union members.

Maybe Roy's good-guy image was a marketing fabrication (or maybe not) but that's just the thing, the Blazers' profited from that image just as much as Brandon. And ultimately him being a good-guy or not has absolutely zero to do with the extension he signed. Professional sports is a business, if you think otherwise then you deluding yourself.

 

Oh many men of straw...
I never said that Brandon was a bad guy. Feel free to click on my name, then "Find all posts." Since I know that none of you will actually do that, here's one of my early quotes:

Nik and others still want to say that

Fine, it's a business. What has Brandon done to convince everyone that he's a good guy? None of you will answer the question because you can't.

Yes Brandon was a nice guy, but so was Travis Outlaw.
Yes Brandon played hard, but so did Travis Outlaw.
I'm not saying Outlaw is great, but what did Brandon do that Outlaw didn't. When Outlaw returned to PDX, did he get so much love.

Bottom line: Brandon was not any better of a guy than many, but he helped us win some, and fans like winning, and if you can't agree with that then you're "deluding yourself."

 

Examples of Roy being a "good guy".

http://www.aplusyouthprogram.org/events/annual-breakfast/breakfast-2012/

http://205.186.129.59/2008/09/adidas-nations-showcasing-the-best/

This link is the story where Roy gave a basketball court to his community

http://seattletimes.com/html/editorialsopinion/2003693970_broyed05.html

Seems he is responsible enough to wanna complete college. Usually thugs will just milk the millions they receive in the nba.

I remembered Roy being a part if multiple backpack giveaways to under priveledged kids too.

Okay so I have my evidence, now wizard show me the reports on how Roy is a bad guy.

 

Well Joel pryzbilla received a lot of love when he returned. I don't understand your point... Blazer fans recognize great players. Joel pryzbilla wasn't much of a stat guy, but he was that hard worker that helped give us wins. Outlaw had dismal years of development and many complained he actually didn't work hard.

Oh and how is it straw man when this post reply to Roytoy went like this???

"Easy to answer, but let's flip it around. What makes him a good person?

Originally Posted by RoyToy
And how is he a bad guy in this situation? How does it question his character at all?

He did absolutely nothing wrong."

When you say "how is Roy a bad guy in this situation" you are implying Roy is a bad guy, no?

 

Thank you for at least attempting to actually show why you think Brandon is a "good guy." I think Brandon is an OK guy, too, as I said. However, I will point out that these examples led to an increase in Roy's ridiculous salary and are therefore as much as "just business" as his contract negotiations.

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Maybe I misread, but it seemed like there was an implication that he somehow acted in bad faith.

For the record, I have no idea if he's good or bad as a person

 

For the record, I think Brandon is an OK guy, just not worthy of the worship given by most fans including most on this board.

 

I can respect this response. And personally I worshiped his game, not personality. I can agree he is an average ok guy. I think the good guy term is valid with Portland fans because our bar was set soooo low for so many years before his arrival. He changed the overall look of our teams public example. That's a true statement. Would that have been the same if we never had the jail blazer era? Probably not...