Aldridge has quit

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  1. Hobbesarable

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    That was a good post, Brian. I always look forward to reading them.
     
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    I'd do posts like that to, but I'm too busy with work and the family. #short&sweetFAMS
     
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    That's a nice pic with you and Mike Rice.
     
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    That's not Rice....... that's Mrs. HCP!!!!
     
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    D'oh! :smiley-pat:
     
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    You're overstating the importance of the double-team. Just how often does LMA demand a double? Maybe half the time he's in the post? Maybe? So what's that, approximately 4-6 times per game? This myth that LMA's ability to draw double-teams is what's making Lillard effective is ludicrous.
    Don't get me wrong - double-teams are a great way to free up an offense. But it appears that you think our entire offense is predicated on LMA being double-teamed and that's just not the case.
     
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    Yea OK, sure thing. We have a saying around here. Learn the game, then post.
     
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    Funny you say that because Roy had the issue when we had no one with a post game after Zach left. It was totally apparent during the Houston series; where he was doubled over and over. That series was lost because we had zero post game. As much as you disrespect aldridges game; his inside presence, or even ability to score inside opens the game for our guards. Plus Aldridge has gotten much better passing out of the post. This is why his assists are up and we have a solid inside out game.

    Take that away and we become extremely one dimensional.

    Edit: and you say it only happens 4-6 times a game? Are you basing this on his amount of shots? Talk about ludicrous... He doesn't have to shoot to factor his double. Even if you did, and account for 50%; that's still over 7 times a game. But reality is the ball goes to Aldridge at least 40% of the time. If he's doubled 50%; then he is doubled 30 times a game. That gives other offensive players 30 more advantages during the game.
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Because if you take his most recent wrist injury out of the equation, he's shown a steady and steep improvement curve in production and in consistency year after year over the entire course of his career. He still has a ways to go, but he's more productive and more consistent this season than he's ever been.
     
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    Stop being stupid - you know that LMA doesn't get doubled 30 times a game. He doesn't go into the post 30 times a game. He spends the majority of his time approx. 18' from the hoop where he is never doubled.
    I don't have #s to show how often he's in the post, so all we can do is guess. I'm guessing he probably goes into the post about 12 times per game. Not SHOOTS from the post - he does that 2.4 times a game. And so I'm very roughly extrapolating from that that he goes into the post roughly 12 times per game...that means he kicks it back out about 10 times and shoots about 2.4 times. Does that not seem reasonable? If anything I think it might be on the high side. But It seems FAR more reasonable than suggesting that he gets doubled 30x per game.
     
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    30? Wow. I'd say 7-8 is pretty realistic for the number of times Aldridge actually gets a double thrown at him a game.

    Aldridge plays 37.7 mins, the Blazers have a pace of ~91.2 possessions per game. So that's about ~71.6 possessions that Aldridge would see if he was in for an average pace for the team. I'd generously say he gets touches in the post on about 35% of the possessions he plays, and I'd say 40% is a generous number for the post touches he actually gets doubled. Putting it all together I get about ~10.0 doubles a game.

    A bit above expected, but no where near 30.
     
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    He draws the defense no matter where he is on the floor though, not just the post. The pick n roll helps, but it's his ability to pop that draws the attention.
     
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    Not gonna get into Aldrdige in the PnR, but on PnP possessions it isn't Aldridge drawing the double team, it's Lillard. He draws 2 defenders and then passes over the top to Aldridge for the open long range 2.
     
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    We're talking about double-teams, not just "drawing defense". Mags seems to think that Lillard's effectiveness is due to LMA being doubled. That's just not the case. Single-coverage is not at issue here.
    Also, LMA is always left open on the pick/pop. He doesn't draw defense with that part of his game - not even single-coverage.
     
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    Yeah stupid is saying its only 4-6 times a game. Once again you fall victim to your own hyperbole. I used your drastic underestimation and used it on the homer side. Always nice to see you fell right into that one.
     
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    And if LMA was like most PF's he wouldn't be a threat out there, but he is, which brings the defense out and opens up the game for the other 3 options.

    Your hate for LMA is blinding you.
     
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    Blue9 will disagree. He will say defenses don't honor aldridges poor outside shooting. ;)
     
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    This is correct.
     
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    No you didn't. You always fall back on "oh, jk" when your stupidity gets called. And perhaps I underestimated by a possession or two - but so what? There aren't any useful numbers to use. And I'm sure there are plenty of games where he sees 4 or fewer doubles. So maybe my range should be expanded from 0-8 times per game, 0-10 if we're really covering the full spectrum of possibilities. The point is, it's a myth perpetrated by you that Lillard's effectiveness is due to LMA being double-teams. THAT'S the point. But keep pushing those straw men out to deflect.
    So again, what did I fall into? Oh yeah, arguing with you.
     
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    Do you watch the games? If you think that the defense stays with LMA rather than the ball on the P/P then you're not just dumb, you're blind and deaf too.
     

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