Why LMA Can't get any respect?

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    That's still not the link you want. It's right for LMA, but Bosh's numbers dwarf LMA's. 50% to 42%. It's not close.

    Contested shots are harder than wide open ones. So is a half-court runner. I don't want LMA taking 12 of those a game, either.
     
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    There isn't a argument that I'd rather have Aldridge play inside more; but saying he isn't effective from the perimeter is outlandish. All of those shots are contested and the coach called for him to take them. It gives Lillard the lanes needed to work the paint more efficiently. When Hickson tries to do the same pick and pop; the defender always doubles Lillard and he is stopped. When Lillard passes to Hickson; he has a wide open shot and the defense dares him to take it. When it pops to Aldridge, immediately, the defender runs toward him.
     
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    No, by definition, he isn't effective from the perimeter. He gets .825 points on every shot he takes from there, and he takes about 11 a game. That's the exact same efficiency as a 41% free throw shooter shooting 22x a game or a 28% 3point shooter shooting 7-8x a game. None of those are efficient, no matter if he's being triple-teamed, guys running at him, one hand tied behind his back, covered in gatorade or whatever. It's NOT EFFICIENT for him to do so, and there's a very strong correlation between your efficiency and how much your team wins.

    I'd love to see any quote from Stotts (or even secondhand) that says he wants LMA shooting perimeter jumpers at a 42% clip. I don't think you can find one, because Stotts himself has said they try to get LMA inside more.

    To put it into perspective, Dirk has only had one year where he shot a worse FG% on these shots than LMA's BEST year. (41.9% for Dirk, 43.2% for LMA). He has had 5 seasons above 48%. Amazingly, in his MVP season, he shot over 51%, but took "only" 800 of them. His Finals MVP season he took only 650 of them. Of course, he was also shooting a hefty 41% from 3. That's being an efficient perimeter shooter.
     
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    As the opposing team you'd want LA to take those long distance FGs. It brings LA out of the paint and it makes it easier for the opposing team to box out our other big man. That and LA barely shoots about 42% from mid range.

    However, it would be more effective to have our 3-pt shooters shoot the ball at about 37% and have our two big men near the paint waiting for the possible rebound and put back.
     
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    This thread is such a strawman. "Why LMA Can't Get Any Respect?" He gets plenty of respect, but he also has his limitations and sometimes people point them out.
     
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    How do you define "effective" as far as perimeter shooters are concerned?
     
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    Agreed.


    I also think he is a very good outside shooter, stats or no stats.
     
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    http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/9/1...terry-stotts-interviewed-on-blazers-courtside

    Using LaMarcus Aldridge like Dirk Nowitzki

    A lot of those perimeter shots per game were very first part of the season heavy. The argument is skewed cause he isn't being played as much from the perimeter like he was at the beginning of the season. It's also skewed because at the beginning of the season, and when Stotts wanted Dirk 2.0, he was battling the recovery of his surgery.
     
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    I personally don't want to see LA inside all game long because I don't think his body would hold up to that for an entire season. We need someone else to bang down low on both ends and let LA do his thing and occasionally mixing it up by taking it down low.
     
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    That's still not a comparison of LMA and Bosh from their respective ranges, it shows Aldridge's totals and then what he does head to head vs Miami.

    And the difference between LMA and all the players you just listed is that all of them take 2 steps back and fire from behind the line that makes their shot worth more! Their eFG% on jumpers are all significantly better than Aldridge because of it.

    Bosh is clearly 4% better on jumpers, where you're still getting that Aldridge is better I don't know. And yes, if my PF is going to take more than 70% of his FGA as jumpers I want his ass out behind the 3pt line. 41.5% from long 2 hurts a team offensively, even if he was shooting 30% from 3 it would be a better shot than the long 2.
     
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    I see an effective perimeter shooter one that doesn't miss the basket. I don't see any of Aldridge's shots miss the rim or look awful. They are usually around target and the misses barely bounce out. To me, I think Lillard is one of the best in the league. His shots always look like they are good the moment it leaves his hands. His misses fall into the same category. If he misses, there are no air-balls or way off target shots. They hit the rim and bounce out.
     
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    So it doesn't matter how often the shots go in, as long as the misses are "close" misses?

    That's very interesting to me. the definition of the word "effective" is: "successful in producing a desired result" I don't see how near misses qualify.
     
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    How about evaluating whether they generate points or not? That's all that matters, not how much iron they draw. Jesus. :banghead:
     
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    For me, yes... When the shots are always on target; that is a good sign of good fundamentals. If the shots are hitting all over the place, then the mechanics are all wrong. Then I use the "defending' factor. When shots are being made, heavily contested, they hold more value to me then a Batum spot up three on the left wing. Why? Well the moment a defense can take away that shot; the player is useless.

    You can't take away Aldridge's perimeter game because most the time he creates his own shot, contested and most the time doubled and still makes 42% of them.
     
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    So being a good shooter is how the shot looks, not whether or not it scores? LOL, ok I'm done if that's what you're gonna argue.
     
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    Like 21.1 PPG, with 70% of his shots being from the perimeter?
     
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    No I am saying what I use as an eye test. Obviously the advanced stat gurus will use advanced stats, excluding all the other intangibles, like defended or contested shots. Or totally discounting that Aldridge has 48% assisted jump shots, while comparing players with 75+% assisted is more valuable. Or 4th and 5th option players getting wide open shots are more valuable.
     
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    if 70% of his shots were from inside, he'd have about 26 ppg and we wouldn't have this thread.

    If he shot 40 shots a game from the perimeter, he'd average about 34ppg. You may think that would be awesome, but that would crush our team.
     
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    Check the link again, it's 58% assisted jumpers. And he certainly doesn't get doubled 'most of the time' while taking them either.
     
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    I just replied to your assumption that Stotts never said publicly that he would use Aldridge from the perimeter and no response. I was wondering why? Clearly the entire transcript disagreed with you. I also find it ironic that you used "Dirk" as a reference as an efficient outside scoring PF. So your complaint on Aldridge taking more perimeter shots is more of a result of Stotts hoping Aldridge could be like Dirk. And knowing that Aldridge is a coaches player; he is just following orders. So who is really to blame Brian?

    I will bump the quote again, hoping for a response this time.

     

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