Child Welfare called in on Father who gave Son a Gun

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  1. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    I know what I'm talking about. Sorry you don't believe me. Always willing to put my money where my mouth is . . .

    BTW- DMV deals with your license when it comes to DUI alcohol levels, they don't charge people with DUI
     
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  2. donkiez

    donkiez Well-Known Member

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    I don't appreciate being called an asshole. Ive made no personal attacks. You've made a few that Ive overlooked to this point. Im sorry if your ego can't take being wrong but grow up.
     
  3. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    OK, I'll go back and edit. Seems like you are coming hard and insulting at me when I'm just trying to show you what the law is in this area.

    I do know what I'm talking about, sorry I rubbed you the wrong way.

    We can agree to disagree, lol (even though in this case there is an exact answer)
     
  4. oldguy

    oldguy Well-Known Member

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    This is the problem.

    If the police want to investigate someone, they have the cop at the next desk call them with an 'anonymous' complaint. Then they go investigate into someone's life that hasn't done a thing to deserve it.

    It is not against the law for the Dad to give is son a gun. There was no reason to invade their privacy looking into perfectly legal practices.


    Go Blazers
     
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    RR7 Well-Known Member

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    http://dui.drivinglaws.org/oregon.php

    http://www.alcohollaws.org/oregonalcohollaws.html

    http://www.duiprocess.com/state/OR/duilaws.php


    And finally:
    http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/813.html

    Zero tolerance. I'd be happy to take your thousand dollars, and for you to realize you're wrong and shouldn't act like an ass to people when you don't know what you're talking about.
     
  6. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    OK, I'm sorry I'm coming across as an ass. Here is what is going on with the motor implied consent law (which is about suspending a license)

    If you are stopped by a police officer and they have probable cause to arrest for DUII, they will offer the intoxilyzer test.

    If you are above 21 and blow below .08-no consequences
    If you are above 21 and blow above .08-lose your license for 3 months
    If you refuse to blow-you lose your license for a year (3 yrs if you have a commercial driver's license)
    If you are under 21 and blow anything but a .00 you lose your license for 3 moths
    If you are above 21 and have a commercial drivers license and blow .04 or above you lose your license for 3 moths

    But none of what you are talking about amounts to the crime of DUII. the only zero tolerance under 21 is with regard to a license suspension.

    I really do know what I'm talking about. I tried to just show the law and not make a big deal out of it. But when confronted with links that do not say what you all think they say, what am I suppose to do.
     
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    VanillaGorilla Well-Known Member

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    So this is a lie?

     
  8. RR7

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    all of the options you list show a suspended license. So nothing gets a DUII?
     
  9. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    That is correct, DMV implements a "zero tolerance law" to discourage drivers under the age of 21 from drinking by enforcing penalties if they chemically test positive for any percentage of BAC . . . by suspending your license. Not by automatically charging you with the Crime of DUI. If someone under the age of 21 blows a .01, they will lose their license but not be charged with DUI by the police officer (unless they suspect controlled substances are involved)
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    The law for DUII is either the drivers is affected by the alcohol OR their blog alcohol is above .08 (no different standard for those under 21)

    That is the part I posted 813.010 DUII

    You posted 813.130 which deals with license suspension when taking the intoxilyzer test.
     
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    Finally some fucking reason!
     
  12. RR7

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    LOL if that's what qualifies as reason for you. They left when they were asked to. They did nothing wrong.
     
  13. donkiez

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    So in relation to my story wouldn't the admission of guilt, which was coerced by the officer acting "buddy buddy", be enough along with a +.00 BAL to get an offical DUI? That seems more reasonable than your assertion that it was an urban myth. And wouldn't that be cause for the officer to try and get some sort of confession any way he could so he could get the charge to stick?

    Ill fully admit Im not a lawyer and I wasn't in the car with them, and it was 20 years ago so the details might be a bit fuzzy, but the story is truth and I know both individuals very well. While they might embelish some things they couldn't have lied about the incident, we grew up in a small town and things like that don't go unnoticed by anyone.

    I appreciate the apology and the clearer explanation of your view point. However I do feel that you were trying to bait me, and win the argument along with $1000 based on semantics and nuances of the law while disreguarding the over all message.

    I will apologize also, as my Matlock comment might have been a little provoking but it was meat to be more funny.
     
  14. The_Lillard_King

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    Good let's get past this. Wasn't trying to bait you for $1000 as it looks like i could have got that fro RR7. It was a knee jerk reaction because you mocked me and asked me to put my money where my mouth is and let my kids drink and drive.

    It's really not a matter of semantics. A minimal blow by anyone will not lead to a DUI charge but could lead to a 3 month license suspension if you are under 21. The urban myth is the law for the crime of DUI in Oregon for those under 21 is zero tolerance. It's just not true.

    But I am so tired of this topic as you and RRZ seem to call me out as being an ass for something I know what I'm talking about. So let's just get past this topic.

    I'm out
     
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    Actually I have not called you an ass...... yet, at least not publicly. Also RR7 said you were acting like an ass which is very different than calling you an ass.

    Peace out though, nice talking with ya.
     
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    It's the principle of the thing. They shouldn't have shown up at this man's house.
     
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    which complaints do you want them to answer, then? They just pick and choose?
     
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    What's the difference between zero tolerance and what you say inevitably happens--a penalty of license suspension, with no right of trial to appeal it and try to get off? So because you are forced to skip the trial and go straight to the punishment, that is supposed to be tolerance?
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Some people here think that it's not harrassment if armed police scare the hell out of you for no reason. As long as they don't shoot you when you're innocent, they can humiliate you all they want, right?
     

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