Science and Religion questions

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  1. oldguy

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    Climate change has occurred many times over the history of the earth. What has kept the extremes of these occurrences from advancing to, say another 50 degrees hotter and colder than it did?

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  2. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Thanks for the answer. I think each side (? point of view) thinks the other sides point of view is a funny way of thinking. ;)

    Space is a fascinating thing to me. There's so much of it out there..there has to be something else out there.
     
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    You are wrong. Plasma = Mass. That theory suggests that plasma was the super condensed mass that started it all.

    Yes, the suggestion of time didn't exist until the universe existed; which is what I said.
     
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    The only reason why I think it's a funny way of thinking has more to do with something being "eternal" that can't always exist. If this super condensed mass always existed; it makes no sense. Matter cannot be created from nothing; like I've pointed out in many other threads. This also applies with "Multi-verse" theories. In the "natural" way of thinking; something cannot always be there. It contradicts the science we know today.

    As I understand the belief of supernatural seems funny too; at least the theists belief that "supernatural and eternal" can work; therefor the beginning can take place with a "God" not bound to matter, space and time can create matter space and time.
     
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    If you ever experienced a medical miracle, would it change your religious position?

    For instance, if you struggled with chronic back pain for ten years, and it stopped the day after someone prayed over you. I had that happen 7 years ago, and have not had one re-occurrence of my pain.

    Would you believe then? Or, would you think that you healed yourself.

    (Yes, I know that anecdotal evidence is not very useful. But, I know what I felt before and after.)

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    I don't think that's enough for someone that believes in God. There have been scientific research that supports just "Positive thinking" can do wonders for healing. Also, there have been research that stress and depression can also promote sickness and chronic pain.

    AS much as I belief that God's healing hand actually works, the atheist will use the research to support no God being the healer.
     
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    Plasma isn't mass. Nor was it plasma at the beginning.
     
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    If you were diagnosed with a terminal disease, and medical science had no solution....would you try prayer?

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    Oh and I agree with you. I can't imagine this universe not having more life out there. I don't think God would have just one solar system in the entire universe having support for life.
     
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    "Multiverse" IS the new word to define things :)
     
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    I'm not sure. Not saying it can't or doesn't happen, but I think the brain and mind can do a lot of stuff we don't know about.
     
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    What?!?!?!?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

    Plasma (from Greek πλάσμα, "anything formed"[1]) is one of the four fundamental states of matter (the others being solid, liquid, and gas). Matter = mass brother.
     
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    Drop some acid and you will see just how powerful your mind is
     
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    I had a science teacher drop hydrochloric acid in class once.
     
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    http://cfpa.berkeley.edu/Education/IUP/Big_Bang_Primer.html
    Big Bang Nucleosynthesis
    and many belief the big bang had the singularity as "protons"

    http://cfpa.berkeley.edu/Education/IUP/Big_Bang_Primer.html

    Photons are also matter.
     
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    Why do you say this? On a micro level, there's definitely an evolutionary advantage to ensuring your offspring are properly cared for and can reach maturity so that they can reproduce. A strong sense of affection toward a mate/offspring increases the likelihood a dominant male may linger around to ensure that the offspring survives. If he just fucks all the bitches and splits, the caveman who hangs around may just decide to kill the babies that don't look like him. Male grizzly bears kill cubs on sight so they can get the female bear back in heat so they can be fucked by them.

    On a macro level, a species that has a sense of "love" between members of its species may very well out-compete a species that doesn't. "If you watch and care for my kid and all the other kids in the tribe Old Woman, we'll go kill a bear and feed you some of it." The Old Woman may do a better job of caring for that young if she has strong affection.

    Humans have a more sophisticated sense of "love" than other species, but that's probably because of our more developed brains. Evolution has selected for us to devote a lot of calories to a complex brain, and it lets us think about things in more sophisticated ways (including love) than a squirrel or dog can.

    You don't need a god to explain love. It doesn't preclude there being a god, either.
     
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    I'm going to agree with this as a good argument for the existence of love and evolution.

    I believe in a creator and I do agree that our souls have a lot of "human traits" as my personal choice of why they exist; but I will not discredit this explanation.
     
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    There were no photons at the instant of the big bang, nor was there plasma.

    The first subatomic particles (photons) did not form until the pure energy at the instant of the big bang cooled significantly.

    "Primordial nucleosynthesis is believed by many scientists to have taken place just a few moments after the Big Bang"
     
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    But if that is the case, why don't we all just heal ourselves of our chronic pain?

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    Would you give up on your belief in God if your pain came back tomorrow?
     

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