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  1. magnifier661

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    How is that terrible?
     
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    hehe. Well done, crowmlet.
     
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    Here are a few links I can give regarding eternal salvation.

    http://partnersforthegospel.com/2012/06/13/7-reasons-you-cant-lose-your-salvation/

    http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=127

    There are many more on that link, but I wanted a couple for you to review. Anyone that believes they can "unsave" themselves, have no idea how they got saved in the first place.
     
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    I'm not adverse to such things, but I don't know if I'd make a special run to PDX just to visit with a born again. (haha) Maybe I can come and lecture at your church.
     
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    it's very cultish for one.
     
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    Yeah, I second that emotion.
     
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    Explain how you believe this is cultish?
     
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    at its heart the message of christianity is extremely cultish - we are unworthy, but through repentence and faith-based belief earn merit and reward. this summary is intended to break someone down and appeal to emotionalism in the same way a cult would.

     
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    And this is no different than one that attends a Tony Robbins self help seminar, or where someone being obese breaking down and trusting in a trainer and dietician to help him lose weight.

    There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that you can't do it alone. In fact, the moment man realizes this; we can accomplish great things.
     
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    Nor does atheism.

    Interpretation of what? There's no thing that's being interpreted in a consistent manner. You're taking an imaginary thing and then spouting off about it. Gee, that's bound to lead to knowledge. What was I thinking?
     
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    The hell it doesn't. You got it confused with agnosticism.

    It's good that you are finally coming up to speed.
     
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    Like the Pyramids! Get a lil slave action goin' there? I think modern man could do a heck of a lot more if not so susceptible to those fucking magic books. Look at our technology our medicine. Sure as shit glad someone decided to think instead of pray.
     
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    Actually you just gave an example of man able to build amazing things with a mass of people. The pharaoh couldn't have done it alone.

    Also, eastern medicine has been around for thousands of years. Some would even argue that their methods are pretty damn good.
     
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    cults do sometimes help people accomplish things. AA is also not unlike a cult.

    to quote Dawkins - i'm not interested in the utility of christianity, i'm interested in what's true.
     
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    Yep! That's how cults can actually attract people.

    Like I mentioned with self help groups. The attraction is made and the sheep are easily persuaded.

    That's why I always tell any Christian I know to question the church and motives. That message is not cult. It's the people behind messages like these.
     
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    apparently
     
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    Yep and this applies to all beliefs, including atheism
     
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    by your definition i'm not an atheist.
     
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    I already know this
     
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    Ya think?
     

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