"Maximizing Cap Space"

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BrianFromWA, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    57,713
    Likes Received:
    56,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYstateofmind
    Gotcha. Thanks!

    Looking at the rosters of potential destinations for JJ, I don't see any team willing to give up a 8mil + player for him when they can just sign him outright.

    I wonder if Philly would be willing to give us Turner for JJ.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    94,041
    Likes Received:
    57,186
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Gotcha.
     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    The strategy is to make the QO to guys, then look for S&T opportunities using the cap space.

    It basically turns ~$15M into $22.5M you can take back. Plenty to get you Dwight.
     
  4. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    Wow thanks for the well written explanations Brian! Kudos!!!!!

    So if I read this correctly, we should retain hickson because he could possibly net us a more valuable player like Howard?
     
  5. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    26,096
    Likes Received:
    9,073
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't think we should retain Hickson.

    First, I don't think his market is high enough to use him for something like that. If he would've blown up into a near-max player (think someone like Josh Smith or Ellis or 2009 LMA) then keeping him as a S&T would be useful, b/c they hold would "only" be 7.6M but we could sign him for 14M or so and trade him for 17+M worth of players coming back. But that's not the case.

    Realistically, I could see him making about what his hold is. I don't think he's making Batum money. In that case, having the space available and able to be used for 13+M of player seems more beneficial than only being able go get an MLE-level player (5.4M or so) and then trade JJ for something around 10M coming back (assuming a salary of 8M/yr) at the absolute max.

    I think it's better to trade someone like Wes + our cap space for someone like Howard, or to get someone like Bynum with all of the space and trade Wes for an S&T'd Redick or Evans or something.
     
  6. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    But let's say a team like lakers may lose Howard all together. Wouldn't it be better for them to agree to a sign and trade with us; using our pick, hickson and maybe claver?
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Gasol and Hickson might actually be a decent combination for the Lakers next season.

    I was pointing out that you don't have to look at $13M in cap space and target some FA. You can trade a 2nd round pick for any player making $13M or 150% of $13M.

    I read the discontent with Matthews often on the board, and I don't get it. The guy would be really hard to replace.
     
    oldguy likes this.
  8. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    I would rather have Matthews than batum.
     
  9. KingSpeed

    KingSpeed Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2008
    Messages:
    63,206
    Likes Received:
    22,399
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    actor
    Location:
    New York
    Why does Freeland get paid so much?
     
  10. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    14,608
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think the Blazers would just cut him to take back his salary if they could. He was a good player in Europe, so was making a nice salary there, they had to pay him enough to lure him away. We should have just left him there though.

    I hope the Blazers trade their pick for a center, resign Maynor, then use the MLE to sign Corey Brewer. With that bench, the starters wouldn't need to play so many minutes.

    Lillard/Maynor
    Matthews/Barton(3rd string)
    Batum/Brewer
    LA/Claver
    Gortat/Leonard
     
  11. JFizzleRaider

    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    14,185
    Likes Received:
    7,391
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Who Knows?
    We won't have a MLE to sign Brewer
     
  12. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    18,687
    Likes Received:
    13,094
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Correct, but they'd still have plenty of cap space to sign him with.
     
  13. JFizzleRaider

    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    14,185
    Likes Received:
    7,391
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Who Knows?
    Depending on which center they trade for and if they can get Maynor to agree to sign for the room exception then sure. If they go for a McGee then it's more unlikely.
     
  14. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    14,608
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why would we not have an MLE? Acquiring a center at ~10 mil and resigning Maynor would put is over the cap.
     
  15. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    18,687
    Likes Received:
    13,094
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You'd be using cap space to trade for the ~10 million player, and to have the cap space, we'd have to waive the MLE.
     
  16. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    18,725
    Likes Received:
    191
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Occupation:
    dental malpractice claims adjuster
    Location:
    Portland area
    EXCELLENT work, Brian. Major kudos.

    I doubt Howard will come here. I think more along the lines of signing a couple of mid range veterans and a S&T with Hickson throwing in someone. Add a good draft pick and we have increased the depth on the roster.
     
  17. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    44,783
    Likes Received:
    27,542
    Trophy Points:
    113
    To answer your question, it had been enough years that we could offer him a different amount of money somehow
     
  18. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    71,429
    Likes Received:
    60,115
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    And this one probably took you 2. Nice work!
     
  19. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I don't think Howard will have any interest in playing in Ptd. But Ptd does have cap space and if Howard wants to go to say Brooklyn . . . well Blazers offer Howard a huge contract and trade him for Brook Lopez. :)
     
  20. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    4,037
    Likes Received:
    3,849
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But the state income tax overshadows it for someone like Dwight. California with their 10% tax, or Houston with no income tax?
    This issue doesn't matter much to the Blazers right now, but I still think Dwight is going to Houston... so Asik should become avaible.

    We could do a sign and trade with Barton & Hickson for Asik. A front line of Hickson & Dwight would be a good mix.
     

Share This Page