Earth First!!!!!

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  1. MARIS61

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    Your link does not support your contention, nor does it address the issue of erosion where old growth has been removed. It speaks of expensive and laborious man-made bandaid solutions for your yard.
     
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    There's an old growth in La Pine.
     
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    There are more small plants in the amazon jungle than anywhere else on earth and it is eroding faster than anywhere else due to old growth logging.
     
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    It's simple. Beneficial bacteria creates humus as it decompose organic matter. That creates aeration for soil; which promotes new growth. The new growth generates more root systems that hold the soil together. A tree, on the other hand, grows and slows way down. It creates too much shade for smaller plants to grow; therefor all the stability is being supported by that tree.

    The moment the tree dies, that entire area can be effected and needs thousands of years to fully decompose naturally.

    Did you know fire is good for the forest?
     
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    World's largest ponderosa pine. Nice picnic spot by the river. We often walk the dogs on trails there.

    Huge sucker by today's standards. 70 years ago most of Beautiful Central Oregon was covered with them, many bigger than this one. Visit the Tillamook State Forest, where stumps 15' across make the biggest live trees seem like blades of tall grass.
     
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    That wasn't the old growth I was referring to. :)
     
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    New growth will eventually become old growth. Life goes on.............
     
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    Logging also destroys the soil by robbing it of it's main sourcd of nutrients, decaying trees. Logged areas are quickly over run by invasive weeds and entire species of plants and critters die off.

    The mere existence of clean drinking water depends on the health of our forests.
     
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    Old trees are of the devil.

    It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Leaf.
     
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    That's not true. In fact old growth canopy prohibits growth of smaller plants. Plants eaten by the local animals.

    I told you about fires. A fire not only burns off canopies, but it stimulates growth of plants that cannot grow under a old growth canopy. Also there are some animals that cannot survive eating from a tree. In fact, they move to "pasture areas" that have marshes or other plants they can eat.
     
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    Amen! Although, it's also about good stewardship, as well.
     
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    Small plants do grow under large trees.
     
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    Never has happened since logging began in America, never will.

    All replanted rees are cut when they are a desired size for efficient logging. They are not replanted with the intent of allowing them to grow for 500 to 5000 years.
     
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    Man, I walked right into that one.

    Probably why I like old trees. They make me feel young by comparison.
     
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    Admit it Maris!!!! You were one of the peeps in the video!
     
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    A better job could be done in that regard, for sure.
     
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    Not to mention, a huge sucker by today's standards.

    ;)
     
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    No. I'm a tree hugger for sure and don't support ANY logging of old growth, but I love wood products a d wood heat and fully support the idea of sustainable logging by private companies on private land without tax subsidies. Free market timber, so to speak.

    I don't support Earth First's tree-spiking or other violent acts but respect their non-violent protests and tree sit-ins.
     
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    The aliens conspired with our government to beam up our trees to be sent to the planet tralfamador!

    Right Maris?
     
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    LMFAO repped

    have to spread around
     
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