Doctor stops accepting insurance, posts prices online

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine — Dr. Michael Ciampi took a step this spring that many of his fellow physicians would describe as radical.

    The family physician stopped accepting all forms of health insurance. In early 2013, Ciampi sent a letter to his patients informing them that he would no longer accept any kind of health coverage, both private and government-sponsored. Given that he was now asking patients to pay for his services out of pocket, he posted his prices on the practice’s website.

    The change took effect April 1.

    “It’s been almost unanimous that patients have expressed understanding at why I’m doing what I’m doing, although I’ve had many people leave the practice because they want to be covered by insurance, which is understandable,” Ciampi said.

    Before the switch, Ciampi had about 2,000 patients. He lost several hundred, he said. Some patients with health coverage, faced with having to seek reimbursement themselves rather than through his office, bristled at the paperwork burden.

    But the decision to do away with insurance allows Ciampi to practice medicine the way he sees fit, he said. Insurance companies no longer dictate how much he charges. He can offer discounts to patients struggling with their medical bills. He can make house calls.

    “I’m freed up to do what I think is right for the patients,” Ciampi said. “If I’m providing them a service that they value, they can pay me, and we cut the insurance out as the middleman and cut out a lot of the expense.”

    Ciampi expects more doctors will follow suit. Some may choose to run “concierge practices” in which patients pay to keep a doctor on retainer, he said.

    Gordon Smith, a spokesman for the Maine Medical Association, wasn’t so sure, saying most patients either want to use the insurance they pay for or need to rely on Medicare and Medicaid.

    Even with the loss of some patients, Ciampi expects his practice to perform just as well financially, if not better, than before he ditched insurance. The new approach will likely attract new patients who are self-employed, lack insurance or have high-deductible plans, he said, because Ciampi has slashed his prices.

    “I’ve been able to cut my prices in half because my overhead will be so much less,” he said.

    Before, Ciampi charged $160 for an office visit with an existing patient facing one or more complicated health problems. Now, he charges $75.

    Patients with an earache or strep throat can spend $300 at their local hospital emergency room, or promptly get an appointment at his office and pay $50, he said.
    Ciampi collects payment at the end of the visit, freeing him of the time and costs associated with sending bills, he said.

    That time is crucial to Ciampi. When his patients come to his office, they see him, not a physician’s assistant or a nurse practitioner, he said.

    “If more doctors were able to do this, that would be real health care reform,” he said. “That’s when we’d see the cost of medicine truly go down.”

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  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    What a concept. Don't take insurance so you can spend your time actually practicing medicine. Fire the staff whose jobs are to collect from insurance and the government, and the care costs less.
     
  3. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    To a point I agree, but there's still a barrier to entry for the poor, even if prices are lower. I don't disagree that insurance is a racket, though... but think of the mass unemployment if every doctor decided to do this all at once. :ghoti:
     
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    The poor can fill out their own paperwork and collect from the govt.
     
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    In other words, it will only cost you $50.00 to get an oxycodone prescription. :)
     
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    Causing unemployment to skyrocket.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    So we should have higher priced health care so the people who do paperwork to get paid by the government can have jobs?

    Yeesh.
     
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    Don't you think jobs should contribute to productivity rather than just be process-oriented? There was a study by Donald Marron--the former head of the CBO--that regulatory compliance costs were $1.72T in 2012, or 11% of GDP. That's nuts. Over a dime of every dollar simply goes to making sure you're doing what the government wants? That doesn't include taxes.

    Imagine the jobs that could be created, the wealth that could be created if even half of that figure could be used for productive purposes instead of paper pushing. This economy would be growing by leaps and bounds if that were the case.
     
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    :doh:
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Agreed. I'm not saying this to be an ass (although I'm sure that's how it will come across), but the level of economic ignorance on this board is as astounding as it is depressing.
     
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    This incident will become more and more common. You're going to see all kinds of ways physicians are going to exit the system due to Obamacare. As more and more refuse to deal with the constraints of Obamacare, HHS will simply require that to be licensed (even though it's a state certification, the Feds will withhold funds), physicians must take a certain percentage of patients who have the public option. Physicians will then drop out of the system and become "Medical Consultants".

    This piece of legislation is going to be a clusterfuck of the first order.
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    Stossel had a doctor on a few weeks ago who runs a major clinic in Cleveland (I think). They stopped taking insurance a while ago and post their prices online. They do a great business, and a lot of employers are just paying the fees so their employees can be treated.
     
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    And then laws will be passed to require certificate / license renewals to practice this type of "consulting", and those yearly renewals will be high cost.
     
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    There was some talk here in the hospital last weekend about some dr's bidding on employers to be that company's primary dr.
     
  17. The_Lillard_King

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    Sounds like an indirect way of economic discrimination . . . maybe that is OK if we view the medical field only as a private business that should be allowed to profit as it see fit. Personally, I take a more philosophical view about national health care.
     
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Then let the nation hire some doctors who are willing to work for the nation.

    Otherwise, it's slavery.
     
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    Guessing your definition of slavery and my definition of slavery are 2 different things.

    How much would it cost our country to hire Drs to take care of the hurt, sick and elderly. Would like to see the budget proposal for that.
     
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    My definition of slavery is when you TAKE someone else's labor.
     

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