Can we admit that agnosticism is the logical way of thinking?

Now that is an atheist statement. An agnostic would say "I don't know if there is a God, but the evidence I've seen so far doesn't sway me to believe there is one"

 

Is it strawman to say that there are different possibilities of what 1 + 1 =? Basically you are adjusting what the form atheism truly means. This isn't semantics. This is actually "black and white". We aren't talking perception. If you are atheist "without theism"; that is pretty clear that you do not believe in any theism; therefor you do not believe in any God.

I know so many atheists that refute God no matter what. Maris is the purest atheist in this forum. The rest if you are just tossing a label around and adjusting it to suit your argument.

Problem is, a true atheist really doesn't have absolute proof; therefor their belief is an act if faith. They believe without evidence.

 

I knew it! Lol

I was expanding on the joke. I already know you are agnostic

 

- i DON'T believe in any god
- i think there is effectively zero chance Yahweh exists
- i think knowledge of whether a creator in the generic sense exists or not is impossible

i'm an agnostic atheist, as are the vast majority of non-believers

 

i'm sure almost all of them are refuting belief in god, not actually arguing for the strong form of atheism.

 

And since you have zero empirical evidence that God does not exist; you base this thinking on faith. As an agnostic you base it on lack of evidence that God exists, but don't discount it could be a possibility.

See the major difference?

I am going to claim I am a black because I love rap music. Even though I'm not racially black; I love soul food and their culture. I am a black-Asian-American. I expect the same minority treatment and benefits please!

 

what do you mean by God? i base my view of the improbability of the existence of Yahweh entirely on empirical evidence.

if you mean god in the generic sense, it does not require faith to lack belief in something you don't think there is evidence for either way. lack of belief in what you don't/can't know is obviously the logical default position. you still aren't differentiating between lack of belief and conviction for some reason.

 

they would treat any non-profit organization the same as an organized religion. that has to do with the behavior of organizations. it doesn't speak to the similarities of belief systems.

 

Yep it's called agnostic

 

people certainly can and do make atheism into a religion. that doesn't mean the belief system is the same. i'm not sure what your point is.

 

you tell me yours first : )

 

if your implication is that atheism itself IS like religious belief, i disagree. people can go all activist with almost anything they want and turn it into something like a religion, which could be what SH groups are doing to warrant being classified as one.

that doesn't mean it requires religious-like faith to be an atheist. different subject.

 

Mags, I think the root of your misunderstanding of atheist/agnostic and all the permutations is that in your life everything is filtered through a lens of faith. To think about someone without faith doesn't even compute or make sense to you. So you try and come with ways in which an atheist has lives a life of faith just as you do. But, for most atheists, we don't. There are exceptions for sure, and I would say Maris is an example of one who is so unyielding in his views that those views have become a dogma and faith is needed in that case. I could be wrong, and perhaps he will refute my assertion. But for most atheists, there is no faith required to not believe. We are simply skeptical, and unless something makes sense, we tend to not believe it. It does not mean we know we are correct, just that there isn't ample evidence to even strike up a rudimentary belief that it could be true. If I told that there was a magical camel in another realm that shot pudding out its humps, would it take any faith to not believe it? no. it's just a dumb statement. Do you know that pudding camels don't exist in any realm? no, although the likelihood is astronomically small.