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  1. blue9

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    Aside from the Deron Williams blind-side trade, when was the last time a superstar was traded when they weren't steering the trade discussion?
    The hope that we can somehow trade for a superstar hinges on it happening in a similar fashion to the Wiliams trade - none of the superstars are going to steer a trade to the Blazers. It also hinges on us having the best trade package of all the teams that would be interested. Basically, I think the idea of trading for a future disgruntled superstar is about as likely as LMA carrying the team deep into the Playoffs.
     
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    How many have we had? Like ever?
     
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    Copeland? lol.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Howard to the Lakers? Bynum to Philly? Hmmmm, LBJ was traded as well.
     
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    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    So a poster on this board being "100% sure" of an UFA All-star leaving Portland is absurd and baseless.
     
    blazerboy30, Jun 24, 2013
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Grass isn't always greener on the other side. lol Copeland. Who the hell is Harris?

    edit: and Lamb over Wes? Is this a joke hahah
     
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    We seldom get an all star period. So let's keep the one we have.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I don't remember any big time player ever forcing his way out since Clyde Drexler; and he wasn't a unrestricted anyway.
     
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    Howard was steering the trade conversation and even though LAL wasn't one of his targets they took a chance because of their history - we don't have that history to bank on.
    Bynum - oh, that's a different trade than the Howard trade? Also, he's a superstar?
    LBJ traded? Riiiight...
    Seriously though - there may very well be cases of disgruntled superstars being traded to teams they aren't angling to get to. I can't think of any, but would be interested if anyone has one/some that are similar to the Williams trade.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    The Chris Paul trade was forced.
     
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    Tobias Harris

    Averaged 17/8/2 last year while shooting 45% from the field and 31% from 3/ Also had a PER of 17.0
    20 years old making 1.5 mm per season
     
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    He looked like a young Jamison.

    Great freaking pickup by the Magic.
     
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    Ya I realized who he was just after I asked. He averaged those numbers in a 27 game stretch. I still wouldn't take the guy over Nic. He seemed more like a PF right?
     
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    • You're certainly welcome to your opinion - but my opinion of your opinion is that it stinks.
      At SG I'll give you: Harden. As equals I'd give you Mayo/Iggy. The fact that you have Ross/Lamb on there is just laughable...though I guess it's purely from a rookie contract/potential POV. Still, to argue that they have a better contract for what they produce is false.
      At SF I'll give you: LBJ, Durant, Melo. As equals I'd give you Gay, Gallinari, George.
      I believe your list proves that both Wes and Nic are far better than "average" for currently playing players.
     
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    Like I said---if I'm wrong, we have a bunch of assets going forward that include at least 2 lotto picks and perhaps more--under our control for at least the next 7 years. If you're wrong, an all-star walked away for absolutely nothing.

    How big does the chance he won't resign have to be for you,blazerboy, to trade him? And when do you pull the trigger? I tend to go with "when his value is highest" and "if there's any possible chance he walks away". RR7 made a case (not one I buy into a lot, but a credible one) for hanging on to him until this year's deadline. What's yours?
     
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  16. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    who woke U up?
     
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  18. blazerboy30

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    I'll stop you here, because you're wrong.

    An all-star didn't walk away for absolutely nothing. He would have walked away leaving us with a good size of cap space. That cap space obviously has value, and quite a bit of value. If we were over the cap and LMA walking didn't give us a bunch of cap space, then you'd be right. I'm not sure, at this point, how I'd compare the value of 2 lotto picks to cap space. It depends on the circumstances.


    Pretty high...whatever that means. Because we aren't left with "absolutely nothing" if he walks.

    1) You don't know if his value is highest right now. It might be even higher, at the same, after another year. It isn't like he's old and on the decline.
    2) If we traded players when "there's any possible chance they walk" in 2 years, you're going to trade every single player.

    Like I said before, I'm not for or against trading him. But either way, I want it to be for a deal that improves the team and a decision that is based on logic and facts, not fear.
     
    blazerboy30, Jun 24, 2013
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  19. RR7

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    Outside of Bosh and Wade, what is the list of every UFA in the last 10 years who left his team for somewhere else?
     
    RR7, Jun 24, 2013
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    All-Stars having forced trades from the Blazers:

    Bill Walton
    Jim Paxson
    Clyde Drexler
    Brian Grant
    Rasheed Wallace

    All-Stars having left Blazers without compensation:

    Danny Ainge (not an All-Star but a highly acclaimed 6th man)
    Brandon Roy (amnestied because he wouldn't retire on his own)
     
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