Maybe a highly trained assassin (navy seal, black belt, etc.) might be able to, but not your typical person. Certainly not a kid who just turned 17. http://spotmebro.com/how-to-kill-a-man-with-your-bare-hands/ The truth is, in order to effectively kill an opponent you must first render them unconscious. Strong fundamentals in traditional combat sports such as boxing, wrestling, muay thai, and jiu-jitsu are the key to victory in a mortal confrontation. There is no magic bullet, the fighter with greater technique, speed, power, and athleticism will almost always come out on top. The real knowledge lies in something that wrestlers and judo practitioners have known for ages. The hard ground beneath your feet is actually the most abundant and devastating weapon. The most effective and efficient way to kill a man with your bare hands is by firmly grasping the skull of an unconscious opponent, and slamming the back of their head into hard ground multiple times. Several forceful slams will likely result in catastrophic brain damage and immediate death. The most efficient lethal victory would look something like this: * The victor lands a powerful snapping punch to the tip of their opponents chin rendering them unconscious. * The victor mounts their opponent’s chest, firmly grasps the skull, and delivers 2-3 powerful slams of their opponents head on to hard ground. * If the confrontation is taking place on soft ground such as grass, the most effective method would be to simply apply a blood choke on an unconscious opponent for 2-3 minutes.
Since it was a stand your ground case, the florida law requires only fear of bodily harm not fear of death. Now how exactly do you find a proof of the self defense argument in my previous post? Zimmerman wasn't unconscious. If he was pinned so he couldn't struggle while the kid was both covering his nose and mouth so he couldn't breathe while simultaneously slamming his head against the ground, how could Zimmerman have gotten his gun out?
The 17 year old version of me would have kicked the ass of any version of me from 24 to my current age.
Sure. He was getting his ass kicked. That happens to people all the time. Tens of thousands of times a year.
Well, let's not pretend that Travon Martin was some gentle flower. I don't blame Zimmerman for using everything he had at his disposal. Those in fights aren't making rational decisions, they're thinking of making it stop, finishing the other person or surviving.
Denny Crane. Now exposed as anti-gun progressive in league with the Obama Administration. His opinions are their opinions.
So, what exactly do Stand Your Ground laws have to do with Zimmerman and Martin? Absolutely nothing, of course. Outside your own home, common principles of self-defense dictate that unless you have reasonable fear of deadly force or harm, you must flee if possible rather than use deadly force. But a "duty to retreat" rests on the ability to retreat. And "duty to retreat" was irrelevant in Zimmerman's case because — pinned to the ground with Martin on top of him, bashing his head on the concrete — he was unable to retreat. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/commentary/miche...and-your-ground-squirrel#sthash.XW9pwBcP.dpuf Even the prosecution rejects the cynical attempt to tie Martin's death to Stand Your Ground. Prosecutor John Guy couldn't have made it clearer during the trial: "This case is not about standing your ground." During their post-trial press conference, as conservative talk show host Victoria Taft first noted, a Miami Herald reporter asked the prosecution team specifically whether Stand Your Ground "affected the facts in this case and whether this case could have been won, perhaps, pre the changes in the law." Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda replied: "You know, self-defense has existed for a long time. And we've dealt with it in Jackson for a long time. We've tried a lot of self-defense cases; I've personally tried 10-15 self-defense cases. They're tough cases, but we accept it so ... the law really hasn't changed all that much. Stand Your Ground was a big thing, but really the law hasn't changed. We have a right to bear arms and a right to self defense." In short, Stand Your Ground did not kill Trayvon Martin. Stand Your Ground did not sway the jury. Stand Your Ground saboteurs don't have a leg to stand on. Columnist Jacob Sullum observed drily: "You might think that, given all we now know about Zimmerman's actual defense, critics of 'stand your ground' laws would have to find a different, more apposite case to illustrate their concerns. Instead they just barrel along, citing the same phony example again and again, without regard to the facts. It does not inspire confidence in their argument." - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/commentary/miche...and-your-ground-squirrel#sthash.XW9pwBcP.dpuf The Obama administration's cynical campaign against Stand Your Ground laws is a racially charged weapon of mass distraction. The goal isn't public safety or community harmony. The goal is for conservative political opponents to Surrender Your Ground. Silence, as always, is complicity. Political self-defense, as with physical self-defense, begins with self-assertion. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/commentary/miche...and-your-ground-squirrel#sthash.XW9pwBcP.dpuf
Denny is still very pro gun, he's made that clear a few times in this thread and many times in the rest of the forum.
Everyone likes to Monday Morning QB a situation that happened in a split second, but if someone sucker punched you, you fell down and he climbed on top and started banging your head into the ground, you would seriously fear for your life. Supposedly Zimmerman trained in MMA, well I don't know his resume so I can't say for sure, but just "training in MMA and muay thai" does not make you a fighter. I've trained in muay thai and MMA and I know for a fact that there are 17 year olds who would beat my ass. I have a friend who was a legit fighter, trained at Fairtex, etc etc etc, and he would certainly fuck just about anyone up that he met on the street. I've trained with him off and on for years, but that doesn't make me a trained fighter. Zimmerman is a fatty, so let's not pretend that the guy is a well oiled machine. He bit off more than he could chew, he got himself in a position that he probably shouldn't have been in, but I'm sure he probably feared for his life as this "kid" was on top of him, beating his head onto the pavement. That's a legit self defense claim.
Define "self defense" in the state of florida. You can't separate it from stand your ground. Lots of luck with that.
