Report: Unnamed NBA players linked to Biogenesis clinic scandal

Isn't it really about the theory of sport? For me, it's about natural human potential, not about drugging yourself up as much as possible to see what the scientific human potential is.

Cycling for me is the best example. You see a ride like Floyd Landis did in Stage 17 of the 2006 TdF or Tyler Hamilton's Stage 16 breakaway with a broken collarbone and are blown away by the strength of their spirit, of their ability to assert their will, to conquer pain and fatigue. Then you find out later those performances were a lie, because it wasn't a level playing field.

Sure it was fun watching Bonds and McGuire battle for the home run title at the turn of the century, but it diminished what Babe Ruth and Roger Maris accomplished.

If people want to roid up, I suggest there be a different league for those players, much like there is a natural bodybuilding circuit. Some may wish to watch the scientific human potential, but I will always prefer natural human potential, with everyone playing by the same rules.

 

The trouble with you socialists is that you want the government to hold the worker's hand and lead him into a worker's paradise of fairness. This further shackles employers, especially long-suffering small businessmen.

In contrast, we libertarians say that employees start out equal, but those trying harder will inevitably separate themselves from the field, no matter how level. You leftists are in the ashheap of history. As Ayn Rand said somewhere, workers must be encouraged to work hard, get strong, and use PEDs.

 

Yeah I totally agree. They can create an untested sports league if some people want and then take any crap they desire. Given the choice I think most people would rather compete in a healthy environment if they have the option.

There is no way at all a natural body builder could compete with those roid guys, its insane how much of an impact drugs have. Guys are nearly 300lbs of lean muscle on roids but under 200lb naturally. Guys that have tons of muscle naturally don’t have a lean body fat %, they look like fat ass strong men. There is no way to naturally cut that much fat without losing a ton of muscle. After a number of years on roids and HGH those bodybuilders get disgusting, their guts grow, their facial feature like nose and ears grow disproportional large. They don't look healthy at all.

Look at how dominant PED cyclists were. I think one year the top27 finishers were all on something? There is just no way to compete. I will watch a league with criminals and thugs but I don’t want to watch a league with PED users. I know many fans echo my view, if there is demand for a PED friendly league then one can be created to cradle for that niche.

 

Well, then I guess the folks who run the professional sports leagues have the Free Will to want to run them in a way that doesn't compromise a player's long term health for a short term improvement in performance. Athletes have the Free Will to decide to agree to abide by the rules, or break them and potentially suffer the consequences.

 

I lost interest when I heard Bonds and McGuire where roiding up to better themselves. I also don't think much of Sammy Sosa or Roger Clemens. I already think it has hurt some of Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis career, They already got busted. If LeBron is doing it watch out, Thats going to be a major hit to the league!

 

I thought it was just a common assumption that Lebron uses PEDs?

 

Of course. Every time I read what a miracle man Kobe is for his fast recovery times, I immediately assume he's using. Doesn't everyone?

 

Which is why the league isn't looking into it.

 

Totally.

 

Also when you use PED's or any other drug like this, Should you stop using it the drug will usually work against you.

 

If they can afford a tutor, while other kids can't, is that a competitive advantage?

 

Why do people keep calling sports "natural" and "nature"?

Sports aren't nature, people.

People do things other people don't want to do to get ahead all the time. That's how shit works. That's how this should work. New ways to get better at things are found all the time, there's nothing wrong with using them, they're just as "natural" as sports are.

 

How is taking a drug to get better different than going on a crazy diet or using some crazy exercise equipment that most people don't want to do? Should those diets and exercises be against the rules too? They aren't "natural".

 

But if the primary benefit is faster healing - what's wrong with that? In that respect, how is HGH any different from cortisone or pain-killers?

If they go after people for illegal drugs, or even using restricted drugs without a prescription - that's fair game.

 

That is some great evidence for the harmful effects of PEDs. If they were taken out of sports like football maybe life expectancy would be closer to that of the average American.

 

No way James and Howard aren't PEDing in some way, shape, or form.