UPS to drop 15,000 spouses from insurance; cites Obamacare

ok..I wanted to make sure I did not say anything without understanding your point.

so QT Caravn " We wouldn't be in this problem if health care wasn't so stupidly tied to employers. "

you almost tried to answer this..I was giving you credit en though point for point I do not agree with you...so I did not call bullshit

then I got tothis 'Basically, every concession made to pass the bill made the bill worse, because conservatives also don't have public good in mind; their goal is to ensure that corporations can act unfettered, without thinking about whether unfettered privatization will lead to greater public good or not. "

to blame this on conservatives is too much...you have pegged the meter with this..in short, bull shit

 

No. People that aren't anti-corporation have the ability to think for themselves.

If you take your little nonsensical rant and replace "corporation" with "monopoly", you'd be getting closer.

 

Bingo!!!! Well said

 

This was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Reading comprehension FAIL.

 

Unregulated capitalism (made up of corporations acting only in their interests) in any industry leads directly to monopoly. If A =B and B = C then A = C. Corporations want to become monopolies.

 

I'm curious...do you work for the government, a corporation (large or small) or not at all?

 

Kind of like those wait times for customer service with credit card companies. Don't flout government inefficiency when corporate inefficiency can be as bad, and on top of that, corporations have much smaller customer bases than governments; corporations have it easy compared to governments.

 

I work for a very very large corporation.

 

Or replace "corporation" with government, with the difference being that the government writes the rules, controls the money, and is accountable to no one.

I wonder how people who can be so anti-corporation, while at the same time being so pro-government. I've never received a good explanation on how this can be.

 

Whose interest does government act for in its actions?

 

Who does the government serve though? In the last 30 years, they have let corporations influence them to the point where tax codes don't improve because the tax preparation lobby makes to big a stink about it. If you think the government writes the rules in a vacuum, you're not seeing the whole context.

 

Currently? Corporations. the only difference between the two parties is in how much.

 

I completely disagree. The government I see acts primarily in its own interest. "Corporations" are a bogeyman served up to distract and divide.

 

So you're point is:

Corporations are bad. The government is bad. Profit is bad.

Even though you work for a corporation. How can you live with yourself???

 

A perfect example:

The government passes Obamacare. And then proceeds to make deals to exempt themselves from provisions that they don't like.

 

Well, currently we have a government slightly less enamored of corporations (the whole 2008 thing did help that); but if republicans can win the presidency and congress, it'll get back to being more enamored of corporations.

I don't necessarily disagree that each entity acts in effectively its own interest; it's just that, sometime in the past, the interests of government changed from overlapping with the needs of individuals to the needs of corporations. The tug of war now is over an overlap that shifts between "mainly corporate" and "mostly corporate". there's not much room to move in the "towards the needs of corporations" direction left, though... it's fighting over the last 10% of influence, really.

 

I live with myself by recognizing that I am a hypocrite, and giving away as much money as I can realistically afford to friends and family members who need it. Mostly my life is pretty devoid of meaning or direction, but I do feel light and warmth from my relationship with my wife, my family, and (in October) my son. I do enjoy doing my work, because it makes my co-workers a little happier. That it helps a giant corporation sell product more efficiently is a side effect that itself is neutral.

I don't hate corporations out of hand, but I do recognize that they are animals, more akin to tigers than people. I would prefer the tiger stay on a chain or in a cage. I'm fine with the cage being large and spacious, but I do not want to live (and would not live long) in a place where the tiger is completely free.

 

I see the exact opposite. "Government" is a bogeyman, and corporations act only to further themselves.