GMO not a threat:

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  1. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I disagree that this is not a threat. And I also disagree with population and food. Aquaponics requires no soil and watering; yet produces good faster than traditional means.

    128 sq ft of growing area can feed a family of 4 perpetually forever. All organically as well
     
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    I didn't read the story, I'll check in on it later, I basically agree with the premise. But while I trust GMO food, I don't trust much of the processes that go along with it or the depletion of our biodiversity.

    In making most GMO food, the companies often make food that lasts much longer and in much larger quantities, so it becomes that much more important to never have a bad crop, so pesticides are used in tremendous quantities. Also, they are often heavily processed, so lower quality product can be used and less pure product can be used. So while GMO in my mind is fine, I'll usually go organic anyway because 1) it tastes better, 2) fewer pesticides) 3) handled by farmers instead of robots, 4) less time in transit means more vitamins make it to the table and 5) we get to support local people trying to put quality first instead of corporations trying to put profit first.
     
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    These two things seem VERY at odds.
     
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    agreed.
     
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    Well you need water, just not watering. The nutrients are cycled from the symbiotic relationship of the fish, microbes and plants.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Whether you are for against GMO food, here's the dirty little secret about the world's food supply: We've got plenty of food right now, but we have a massive distribution problem. Second to that, history has proved that no matter how much more supply you put into the system the net result is almost always an increase in births and population - a zero sum game.

    I guess what I'm getting at, is even if there is a second wave in the green revolution that radically increase crop yields, it's probably not going to lead to an eradication of hunger, but instead will only magnify the world's population problem.
     
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    Exactly! That's why training areas of poverty to grow their own food is essential. You can keep sending food, but how does that help the area once the food runs out? The trick is to find other media to grow in and still economic.
     
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    philosophically, I wonder if this ratcheting up of population to match the food supply would hold if food really became so abundant it was virtually free. What I'm trying to get at is that if people don't need to have larger families to basically become workers for the family food supply, would families start to shrink. We know that in the US, as families no longer needed large families to till the fields, they can concentrate on education, which in turn leads to a lower population. So, hypothetically if GMO food becomes so cheap and plentiful that no families worldwide need to worry about their next meal, does that still result in an increase in population or does it actually result in a decrease like we have seen in "westernized" nations?
     
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    That's not a solution. As food production grows so does population - especially in developing countries. You'll just end up with more mouths to feed until it finds the same point of "equilibrium" it's at now.
     
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    Or the decrease is because of gmo foods and growth hormones added to our foods? That could cause for more fertility.
     
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    No I get that; but the concept of a nation able to feed itself is a higher reward than pumping them with donated foods. So even though the population grows; you can adjust the landscape of aquaculture to adjust the expansion.

    There are evaporative water generators that can pull very clean water from the atmosphere; and powered by solar to boot. Areas like Ethiopia have as much sun as they need and the added water can supply the community with drinking water and supply for the aquaponic system in the area.

    One unti produces 5,000 gallons per day
     
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    It's a biology problem. When people aren't suffering privation, they feel better and when they feel better they like to fuck and when they fuck, they make more people. You don't get a decrease in population or birth rate until the economics make having a child less desirable. In developing, impoverished countries having children is an economic benefit.
     
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    One more problem. If you increase world population without increasing the amount of potable water how do you get around that?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    There are many philanthropist groups that spend billions of dollars a year on this exact thing.
     
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    I saw recently a claim that 2/3 of the world's food spoils or is thrown out.

    Plenty of food. Obviously you have to get a good chunk of that 2/3 to where it's needed.
     
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    And that's where education and condoms/birth control enter the equation!
     

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