Obama blasts ‘Republican shutdown,’ defends Obamacare

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  1. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I think a more likely third party will be a new centerist R and D caucus. I think the Tea Party has their claws deep into the GOP oversight, and will actually take over the whole Republican party.
     
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    What about the R platform of the 2000's does the TPC want? If you look at their overriding principle as "small government", then they're much more in line with the Libertarian military/foreign policy step than the R's. I don't think they are caught up in the "Religious Right" fervor any more than is expedient for them. They definitely aren't of the same mind in terms of government spending and lobby privileges as the R-of-the-2000's party. What's holding them there, other than Brand Recognition?
     
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  3. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I think more people go through the ages of 20-25 then those that make it the age of 62. Those early age people are getting coverage from their parents which they probably weren't getting before.
     
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  4. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    The big money funding the GOP. IE Koch Brothers et al.
     
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    So, you honestly think that White House making a statement like that is conducive to finding a compromise?

    "You're an asshole. Now vote for exactly what I want you to, or I'll call you an asshole again." I don't see how that would work in any walk of life.

    The D's rammed this legislation up everyone's ass. (Well, except for the president and the congress. God knows they don't want anything to do with that health care package.)

    The R's didn't want it. The people didn't want it. The D's that passed it didn't even read the damned thing. Now we're supposed to be shocked that it is a fight to get it passed?

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  6. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    That's your flaw though, it's already passed! The republicans are failing to remove it and are now trying a dangerous tactic to remove it.
     
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    You're right, the people don't want Obamacare. They want the Affordable Care Act, cause it gives you choices, where Obamacare forces you to do something!

    [video=youtube;sx2scvIFGjE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE[/video]

    Yes, I know this is edited to show only the best (or worst) responses.
     
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    You're right, I should have said 'funded' instead of 'passed.' (I get it that it already passed, given I said that the D's rammed (past tense) that legislation up everyone's ass.)

    You didn't respond as to whether you think the White House's name-calling was appropriate and/or helpful with getting the funding approved.

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    I could be off on this, but my recollection was that something on the order high 60s% percent were against the bill.

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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    [video=youtube;w9MiS9tn_r4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9MiS9tn_r4&noredirect=1[/video]
     
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    ^Sons of Anarchy?

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    Dangerous tactic? Good heavens, over react much? This has happened 17 times in recent history..nothing the your president deems important is closed. Parking a forklift in front of the entrance to the Lincoln memorial? Closing the open air WW2 memorial by erecting barricades. closing federal parks..yeah, sounds "dangerous " to me....
     
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  15. Eastoff

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    I'm sorry I didn't respond then. Nobody was killed by the Republicans actions, like a true terrorist.
     
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    This blew my mind when my wife told me. I literally didn't believe her until I read multiple stories about it.

    The government is shut down. "Non-essential workers" are told to stay home. But the WWII Memorial, which normally has no staff or security, hires people (park police? I thought Parks Service was shut down?) to erect barricades and sends security down there to keep people out. W.T.F.?

    I guess, though, civil disobedience broke out and our country's heroes got to see the monument to them anyway.
     
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  17. Natebishop3

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    Makes perfect sense to me. This is all about political posturing anyway, and most people won't be directly affected unless it goes on for a long time, so they do silly symbolic things like close memorials and tourist attractions so that people "get the message."
     
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    It didn't exactly pass.

    The Democrats used a parliamentary trick to bypass the process of caucus to get senate and house bills to be identical and passed. The senate never voted on the house bill. The house never voted on the senate bill. In fact, I don't think they voted on any bill at all. Just cloture.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359661/obamacare-has-nothing-do-budget-charles-c-w-cooke

    These were all astonishing and infurating in equal measure. But they paled in comparison to the dishonesty of the president’s central claim, which was that the attempt to link defunding to the debt-ceiling fight is illegitimate because Obamacare has “nothing to do with the budget.” I struggle to imagine how the president could have kept a straight face when he said this. This is a law, remember, that was crowbarred through Congress with the questionable use of reconciliation, a parliamentary procedure that is reserved exclusively for budgetary matters; a law that was sold as a deficit-reduction measure; a law that contains a significant spending component, including a 5-10 percent increase in the size of the federal budget; and, alas, a law that boasts a central mandate that was upheld (rewritten) by the Supreme Court as a tax, thus ensuring that any changes to the penalties must be approved by the House. “Nothing to do with the budget”? This is what we call a lie, Watson.
     
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    yep..a bunch of 80 and 90 year old guys pushed down the barricade and went in anyways. Good for them!

    There are no lengths that the sitting president will not go to, its incredible. Even more so that he still has those that defend his actions..
     
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  20. Eastoff

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    You have a good point, I forgot they didn't use the super majority, just a majority. They did use some questionable tactics.
     
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