Government shutdown thread

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by Denny Crane, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    That 35 million people died?
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Or none?
     
  4. BlazerCaravan

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    North Korean style communism?
     
  5. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    That would be 100%, not 90%. And that would its own sci-fi story; nobody dies during the shutdown... But as the country slowly crumbles the congress is faced with a decision: immortal anarchy or mortal peace?
     
  6. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I think Denny already answered your question:
    "While I find this all amusing, I notice no ill effects of the government being shut down. Not a single one."
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The police are still working.
     
  8. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Where's the ill effect?

    If government were open, he could be put in harm's way or kicked out due to downsizing, etc.

    Not suggesting those thing should happen.
     
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    So not 100% then.
     
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    I think the possibility of working without receiving a paycheck thing might be what he's talking about. Though that sort of thing happens in private industry all the time.
     
  11. BrianFromWA

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    I'm kind of in harm's way right now. And it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to go back to my family and "GDP-making" jobs.

    While I'm getting paid it's not big deal--I signed the contract a long time ago and when you fine people in the country say that you need my help, I go "serve". But when that contract isn't being honored, then what?

    I mean, if McDonald's/Amazon/Boeing/S2/Blazers stopped paying employees, the employees wouldn't be thrown in jail if they went home.
     
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    Have you not been listening to Denny . . . no ill effects, not one!
     
  13. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'd be perfectly satisfied to let you go find employment elsewhere.

    However, I'm a Libertarian, not an anarchist. That means I do feel we need government, but only of the essential kind. Your role in all that is essential enough.

    So in the process of listing things we miss, we may come up with the same sort of list the republicans did when they passed partial funding of a few agencies. I mean, we may actually figure out what is essential and what fat should be cut.
     
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    I think this shut down will extend a few weeks at least. How is this going to effect the debt ceiling issue due later this month? Government shutdown=default?
     
  15. Denny Crane

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    If the govt. takes in $200B+ per month and owes $50B in interest on the national debt, how can it default?
     
  16. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I've got an anecdote. My brother is a hydrologist for the Army Corps of Engineers. Mostly he does inspections of dams and other assorted "non-essential" tasks. He and his wife have a newborn baby who had the bad timing to be born 6 days ago. His pre-approved paternity leave was suspended, he's not getting paid, his child can't be added to his insurance and his wife obviously isn't working right now either.

    So yeah, there are consequences.
     
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    I expect a default, and then Obama uses 14th amendment to supersede the default and push the debt raise anyway. Then the Republicans will impeach him. I don't think he will be removed from office though.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Boehner seems fairly committed to avoiding default, so I doubt that happens, but he might lose his position as Speaker.
     
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    after experiencing military service during a shutdown, I do concede that it can be inconveniencing. Luckily it is only temporary. Not being paid is painful while it lasts, but most commands will establish partial funds to meet immediate needs, and there are sources that can be relied upon for emergencies. If he and his wife need to, have them contact Operation Home front or similar organization.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I know the Corps of Engineers is technically military and they have military bosses, but as far as I know he's considered a civilian (but not a contractor). I don't believe he's eligible for those benefits.
     
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