Blazers & Timbers endorse same sex marriage

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    This whole idea of "equal rights" is misleading, and a classic example of the perversion of language. Who could possibly argue against "equal rights" for anyone? The same thing is done in the abortion argument when people talk about "women's choice." Who could possibly be against something so important as "choice"?

    But when you elevate a woman's choice above everything else you overlook the fact that the child inside of her has no choice at all. And when you defend her right to do what she chooses with her own body, you're overlooking the fact that there is a separate body inside of her, and that she is taking life away from it. All of this is cloaked in the politically correct and sanctioned language that we use.

    So it is in the gay marriage argument. Language has been so perverted that we don't even recognize it anymore. There is nothing intrinsically "gay" about homosexuality, and it 's not a natural "right" for homosexuals to marry. No one is advocating that brothers and sisters should be able to marry, or that parents should be able to marry their children, or that grandparents should be able to marry their grandchildren. So why is it a natural right of homosexuals?

    As a society we are moving in a dangerous direction. The perversion of language is part of a larger perversion all around us.
     
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    Wow, so you equate same sex marriage with abortion and incest. Now that is a perversion of language.
     
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    Isn't incest just two humans making a choice for love? :dunno:
     
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    Incest is cool in the bible, I don't know why anyone would have a problem with it.
     
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    And in what culture in the history of mankind has the word "family" been used to describe the union of two homosexuals? Please provide examples.
     
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    Why a straight person would care enough to oppose it is telling of deeper sexual issues. Like super deep
     
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    Deep as fuck
     
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    Wow. You completely missed the point.
     
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    That is true. But at the same time, in the case where the health of the baby or the mother is in jeopardy, I think it's a choice she has to be the one who makes, not you or me.


    AND since I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control (I personally don't know what the #'s bore out to be with that though), I agree with what you're getting at.

    Very true. However, it's charged no matter what side you are on. I would rather give up a child for adoption (if the health of the child or the mother wasn't in jeopardy, and for some reason she/we decided not to keep the child as our own..but that goes against my personal belief that if I'm mature enough to do the act, I'm mature enough to be a parent).

    Not sure it's really anyones "naturual right" to get married then.

    Because, for starters, we're talking consenting adults, who are not wanting to have a sexual relationship with someone who they are related to. Being gay is not the same as being sexually attracted to your own family members. That IS an illness/perversion.

    I'm not sure if I'd consider it a dangerous direction. Maybe one you're uncomfortable with, sure. I get that, and respect it. But it's a direction where people are afforded legal, and financial equality. Should a couple, who have been living together for say...50 years, not be given the same rights as two other people who have been living together for the same period of time, but were straight?

    It really boils down to this. Marriage comes with rights. If my dad dies before my mom dies (they own their own house), she gets it. She gets his assets, his retirement/401K, a portion of his social security (I don't remember how much, but it's more than what she's making with her SS). She has the right to make decisions on his behalf if he's lying in hospital bed, dying.

    But if it was my dad and my other dad, he wouldn't get it IF one of my siblings (or I) decided to contend that they aren't married to each other, so we should get his assets. He wouldn't be able to make decisions on my fathers behalf, or get his retirement/social security, etc.

    Are there ways around it? Sure. You can place items in the name of someone else, but why shouldn't they just have the same legal equality as straight people/couples do?

    Don't like gay people? So what. Two women getting married, or two men getting married, doesn't have any impact on the validity of your marriage, or what it means to get married.


    I appreciate that you had a really well thought out and productive response shooter. After the flustercuck we had a few weeks ago, I forgot what it's like. repped
     
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    Current American culture.
     
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    I can't. But there are a lot of things that in the history of mankind that are changing.

    It's a changing world.
     
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    No, I understood it.
     
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    Yeah, I can't imagine why billions of people all over the world in every culture and on every continent since time began would have any feelings at all about this issue. Maybe it means we all have serious sexual issues, unlike those happy and healthy homosexuals. Yeah, that's the ticket!
     
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    shooters point is that if nobody is arguing for incest equality, then why are people arguing for gay marriage equality...seems like comparing the two.
     
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    There are also lots of people all over the world think marriage between people of different religions, or cultures, or races, is wrong.

    Does that mean we shouldn't allow it?
     
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    So being attracted to a family member of the opposite sex is perverted--but being attracted to someone of your own sex is not??? You're going to have to explain that one.
     
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    "It's not natural"
     
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    well, I would suspect that the #'s of people who are sexually attracted to their siblings is very small, but I think it's different then when two, non related, adults (of the same sex) are attracted to each other.

    I can't explain it, because A: I'm not attracted to my siblings and B: I'm not attracted to my own sex.

    I'll let someone else who is far more articulate than I, explain it better.
     
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    You're over-simplifying things. People around the world may frown on marriage between people of different races or religions, but they absolutely abhor and are revolted by the idea of marriage between two people of the same sex. There's really no comparison.

    Some parents don't want their kids to marry into a certain family, or to marry a plumber, but again that's a whole different category, too.
     
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