Official season is over and trade deadline thread

Yeah, I'm thinking more about the next 3-4 years, this year they could make the playoffs with him but wouldn't do much.

 

Kane should not cost more than MDZ and Hagelin. His value is lower that whale crap right now. Not only is he doing jack this season but his off the ice behavior is hardly good.

 

I agree the Jets have been healthy scratching him this year, Glen isn't going to throw everything but the kitchen sink at them. I like Kane but he's not worth more than what dump suggested. I would do Stepan/Hagelin, a change of scenery might do them all good. Dubi held out twice for more dough and showed up out of shape and apathetic - good riddance. He's still young enough to change his ways but even in the loss to the BJs he took 2 stupid penalties, there was the Dubi I remembered.

 

I wouldn't trade Stepan straight up for Kane. It's pointless. This team already has two power forwards in Nash and Kreider. What it doesn't have is a second, legit, playmaking center. Those players are just as hard to find as power forwards. Stepan is a class guy. Has no off the ice problems as Kane does. He's very good defensively. 71, you must be on the pipe to offer all that. My goodness. No freakin way. This team should also not trade any top 3 pick the next 2 years. Our farm system produced a lot of NHL players. It now needs to be re-stocked. As I said, this team should ask for picks back. If you offered up MDZ and Hagelin for Kane I would want a second from them in return. The reality is that Kane won't help the Jets win more than the combination of MDZ and Hagelin. He's not doing crap this season other than piss off the owner, GM and coaches.

 

If the Jets are smoking that much weed to ask all of that, then Sather should immediately ignore them and move on to other teams. I have said if for a month now. The Islanders and Rangers are perfect trade partners. Honestly, the rivalry thing is not close to what it used to be. I hate the Penguins, Devils and Craps a lot more than the Islanders. The Islanders badly need a defenseman. Rangers badly need better forwards.

MDZ/Pyatt/D. Moore/Hrvik

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Nelson and Grabner

I honestly believe you could do this deal tomorrow it makes so much sense. The nonsense of not trading with certain teams has to stop. The Rangers and Islanders both suck and can both immensely help each other out with that deal.

 

No way a trade of that magnitude happens between the Icelanders and our Rags. Neither GM will go out in that limb due to the fear of the possibility of it helping a divisional rival.

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I disagree 100%. The Islanders and Rangers are no longer big rivals because the Islanders basically never make the playoffs. You are only rivals if you meet a lot in the playoffs. When is the last time the Rangers and Islanders played in the playoffs Al? 1994. That was 19 years ago. Sorry, I don't consider the Islanders a rival any longer. Whatever history these two teams had has been over for at least a decade now.

 

Personally, I think you are all a little loopy....

Stepan, Miller, MDZ, decent prospect, 1st all for Kane. That is insane. No way I do that. Kane has 30 goals ONCE. The kid has never gotten 60 points. And you want to deal ALL that? No way I do that.

On the flip side, no shot in H*LL we get Kane AND a 2nd for MDZ and Hags. No shot at all.

To me I would offer, MDZ/Miller/Hags/decent prospect (not McIlrath) OR decent pick (not a 1st) FOR Kane. To me that is a fair haul. Get a dman in MDZ, who people would still view as a top 4 dman. Get a past 1st round pick who has top 9 forward written all over him. Get Hags, who is also a top 9 forward. And get another decent prospect or decent pick ALL for Kane. That is a fair deal.

From our POV we lose MDZ, who I don't think we'll re-sign both him and Girardi anyway. Miller, who will be a solid top 9 forward but I doubt in NY has a major role for 2 years or so. Hags, who is a solid top 9 forward, but we can afford to give him up and replace him this summer. And a decent pick or prospect that WPG can develop.

To me that is a fair deal for both sides. That is what I would be willing to do. If they wanted Stepan for sure, I would do it, but no Miller, no 1st, no Hags. Maybe Step and MDZ, that's it, and that is only if I didn't plan to re-sign MDZ this summer anyway. And I would want a pick back from WPG most likely.

Outside of "potential" what has Kane really done that has been that much better than Stepan? Kane high of 57 points. Step high of 51 points. Second for Step is 44 points in 48 games last season. And he had a 45 point season as well. And he has 20 points this season. Kane's next best season is 43 points. And he only has 14 points this season.

So I don't get why we would give up Stepan AND all this other great stuff for Kane. Doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

That's how I view the Kane thing. I doubt we get him anyway, but that's how I would handle it if it were me as GM.

 

Pretty much what I said Chuck. Trade a fine, two way center like Stepan for an under achieving, power forward is just stupid. Team isn't going forward. It's worse off in my opinion.

 

Right now we WAY overrate Kane and WAY underrate Stepan. That's how I see it if we would deal Step and all that for Kane. Numbers show that would be a poor move. We agree dump.

 

The Jets are asking for the world because they can't accept the fact they are so stupid they can't get Kane to fullfill his talent.

 

+1 31..they'd be lucky to get a talent like Kane who could be the franchise cornerstone for the next 10 years. You can never have enough talent at forward, especially when Nash is one more concussion from big problems. Stepan is a solid 2nd C, but he's neither physical nor overly skilled so that's someone you can replace through FA every few years. The bigger issue is needing a top C to play with Nash while he's here.

 

Here is what I know.

Kane had a 30 goal season exactly. And have NEVER scored 20 goals in any other season. Kane has a 57 point season and has never scored 44 points in any other season. He has 14 points this season. Kane turned 22 in August.

Stepan has seasons of 44 (in 48 games), 45, and 51 points. Stepan has 20 points this season. Stepan turned 23 in June, so he is one year older than Kane.

I guess I am missing how those numbers equal we should deal Stepan and a lot more for Kane. I don't understand it. Now you cannot base everything on numbers alone, we agree. And Kane has a ton of potential, we agree there as well. But there is simpy no way I deal Stepan and a lot more for Kane. That would be flat out over paying IMO.

If they said Stepan or no deal, I would include MDZ at most for Kane, but that is all. And I would do what I could to keep Stepan out of the deal. I just don't see the need to include Stepan in the deal, when numbers show Kane is a little better, if he is even better. To me if we are dealing Stepan in a Kane deal are we really improving THAT much? Numbers say the answer is a no.

 

And actually, I said 65-70 points for Stepan. And I think he can still get there. We all know, as shown by your posts this week, that you said this on Stepan and you said that on Brassard. We know 31. You tell us very often...LOL. Let's be sure to keep posting that though, and leave out any calls you were wrong on...LOL.

And BTW...I have no interest in getting into a battle with you or anyone else on this issue (which is what usually happens on this board). I personally think some of you are overrating Kane and underrating Stepan. We can agree to disagree on that.

 

Yes chuck, he's had one 30 goal season in 4. But there's more to the story than that. Of the 3 he didn't one was the lockout season where he scored at a 30 goal pace, and the other two were his first two seasons in the league when he was 18 and 19 YEARS OLD. He's a proven 30 goal scorer and he's 22. I'm not going to hold it against him because he didn't reach 20 goals as a teenager. If anything we're underrating him.

 

How is that so different than Stepan though? Last season Step was 18 goals and 44 points in 48 games. Stepan has 21, 17, and 18 goals. And he is ONE year older. So any age comment you want to make on Kane make on Step also since there is a ONE year age difference.

Kane last year was 17 goals and 33 points in 48 games. So LESS goals than Stepan last season. LESS GOALS THAN STEPAN. And 11 less points. Kane has 19, 30, and 17 goals. Not sure how that makes him a proven 30 goal scorer, but I guess somehow one season of exactly 30 goals makes him a proven 30 goal scorer. Fair enough.

And if you want to say pace last year in 48 games, I say he was on pace for 29 goals last season over 82 games, not 30, and even if it was 30 or 31, that is barely 30 at best, so come on. AND Stepan had more goals than Kane last season. He was on pace for 31 last season, which is 30.

And outside of his 57 point season, Stepan has the best 3 seasons between the two players points wise.

Once again I am missing how Kane is SO MUCH BETTER than Stepan. Unless we are judging 100% on potential, I just don't see it. To me this is a case of the grass is greener on the other side. Because any Ranger fan who would deal Stepan and a lot more for Kane is basing that 100% on potential, which may never come true fully, and IMO is way underrating Stepan.

 

I'm talking purely about Kane. I like Stepan and don't want to deal him at all, but that doesn't mean people on here aren't undervaluing Kane. To me, scoring 14 G in 66 games as an 18 year old, then scoring 19 G in 72 games as a 19 year old while playing for the Atlanta freakin Thrashers is pretty impressive. We need size and we need finishers. That's Kane. Stepan is a different player but if WPG wants DZ and Stepan I think about it. I try to get them to take Miller instead but I still think about it.

 

I would actually prefer Byfuglian over Kane but I think the huge distinction between Kane and Stepan is physicality.