he had one bad season...i guess we should get rid of Stepan because he has been useless for a while now.
Chuck we don't know what is going on behind closed doors, for all we know Sather may have been trying to make an earlier move for Del Zotto. I mean if we saw DZ's stock falling, have to believe that other GM's saw the same thing. That is why you don't make him a healthy scratch over and over and over again.
I would not give up Hagelin right now. As for DZ, while I still believe he is a good defensman, I think he needs a change of scenery in another city. The Rangers and DZ, right now, are not a good fit.
I agree jam, it never made sense to scratch MDZ, and I said that at the time. Very stupid, and all it did was lower his value. What we do know is he's on the block. Unless every hockey reporter is wrong...dude is on the block and can clearly be had with a solid offer...LOL.
Chuck, IMO DZ is not a bad defensman, just in a bad situation. Yeah I know it's an excuse, but I do think a new city with veteran defensman to work with can only help him. Also, if he goes to a city that can actually score some goals that will help him as well. He plays in the Garden with very little offense, where any mistake can result in a 2-1 loss.
He is what he is. He isn't awful, I agree. I am just not sure he will ever be a very good defenseman. He will always have a little element of O in his game, which is a plus, but unless his shot gets better and more accurate he will always leave you wanting more. And I also think he is very poor in the corners winning battles. Just my opinion. If he can improve his shot, and get stronger in the corners, I think that would round out his game and make him a legit top 4 dman. We'll see if he can do it, but I'd let someone else wait for that at this point. And like you said, I think a change of address would serve him well.
"If he can improve his shot, and get stronger in the corners, I think that would round out his game and make him a legit top 4 dman. We'll see if he can do it, but I'd let someone else wait for that at this point. And like you said, I think a change of address would serve him well." I agree ...
Responding to you Dump. Only a simp would equate value with goals or points. I read the Columbus paper and watch their games when they're on here. It is you who has no clue what he is talking about. THIS SEASON, Dubi has 25 points in 33 games, pace of 62 points. He leads the team in assists, 2nd in points (would be 1st if he didn't miss 6 games), leads all forwards in TOI, one of the few + players, best face off man, plays in every important situation, takes almost every important draw, plays in the dirty areas, controls the boards, hits like a truck, team follows his lead and intensity. All that for 4 mil is worth it. Or you can have Nash for 8 mil, who is on a 53 point pace, and is useless if he doesn't score. I know you know this. It was you a few years ago that said the Ranger defense fell apart when he was out of the lineup. You grew a hatred because you predicted he'd be a 30 goal guy, which he never was going to be. He doesn't have a great shot. Never did. He's not a star, just a solid all around player who makes others around him better. Dubi for 4 or Nash for 8. This year at least, it's not even close. You're also mad I was right all along about my Nash critique and the trade but can't admit you were wrong.
Agree with you jamsim on DZ. I like him, but think it's over for him here. In the right situation, I think he'll be a sold top 4 dman, but it's not going to happen here, especially now that AV clearly doesn't like him.
62, Dump is all about bias and agenda's. When he has it for one player (in favor or against) there is no reasoning with him. When Dubi was a Ranger he would drool over him, how he was better than Parise and total homerism. Since Dubi is no longer a Ranger you can forget anything positive coming out of him. I will also say this, we complain this team lacks toughness and that in a trade we need to get some players who do the dirty work and are hard to play against. That's what Dubi is and he would actually know what to do in the offensive zone. He is the type of role player this team lacks at the moment that we could really, really use. I'm talking about Dubi as a player, not the Dubi-Nash trade.
I'll admit I'm a homer when it comes to dubi as I invested money in his jersey. I think he should have been left as a centerman and not moved from line to line and put on as a winger. I think he pressed to hard after signing the contract and was let go too soon. Yes I realize we had to give up something to get nash, I was in favor of sending DZ instead of erixon and held onto dubi and included a chip instead Sent from my Venue 8 3830 using Tapatalk
I know 31. Dump is all about stats and predictions of prospects. Then when they get here, he makes predictions of what they'll do, even if they're unrealistic. When they inevitably don't reach his lofty heights, he turns on them like a mad dog. You're right, a few Dubi types we desperately need. I only combine him with Nash because he was part of the trade. If you went back and looked at my posts before that trade, I didn't want Nash period, whether it included Dubi or not. He is exactly what I saw then, even softer than I thought. At least I've always been consistent. I would have traded Dubi in the right deal. Nash was not it. After a decade of sucking, and for one who goes to the games, it was fun to watch a tough team that played hard and played like a team. For me, it was disgusting to see that team dismantled and replaced with this group of slow, weak smurfs who play like they don't give a crap. Between this awful team and disaster of an arena, the enjoyment of going to the games has been sucked right out of me. Sorry for the rant. I've been on this board recently because I just needed to vent.
BigDaddyAl, I'm obviously biased. I have 2 of his jerseys, one signed that my wife gave me. I was in Alaska right after they drafted him and started following his career then. I knew he wasn't a scorer or a star, but what he brought to the table was something we were missing for years. Both Duguay and Graves agree with you. He was clearly better at center because he could use his speed to make things happen for others. Also, the people who cover the team said he's very emotional and tried too hard to live up to his contract. Unfortunately he went through that bad year but learned from it and has become the player I thought he was.
I'll say two things to you 62. 1. Nice breakdown of Dubi as a player. I agree. 2. You are here more right now because this is your time to shine. You are loving this. Sather a joke again. Nash has been bad. Team has been whatever. This is all right in your wheelhouse. Be honest....
I was high on Dubinsky as anybody. He should have been one of the best second line centers in the game. He's a lazy, fat, pig. He came in out of shape more than once. He dogged so many games it was mind boggling. Can't win with guys like that.
Chuck, you know nothing about me and couldn't be more wrong. I'm not loving this. I hate this. You want some honesty, ok. I've probably been a Ranger fan longer than you've been alive. I pay thousands to go to the games, and I'm far from wealthy. I have to travel in from NJ and that's not cheap. I no longer even buy water because it's $5.25 for a bottle. My heart has been invested in this team for more than 50 years. I actually bought a Nash shirt, hoping I was wrong. I don't know if you have tickets or not, but if not, it's a little different. When you go to game after game, year after year, for most of your life and nothing much changes, your always optimistic view starts to dim, where you take the blinders off and don't think every prospect is great and the team is just a few moves away from being great. You stop chanting Lets Go Rangers most of the time because you've become more realistic and don't fall for the usual homer crap. Your excitement has waned You are waiting for the team to do something to get you excited instead of yelling to try to excite them to play better. For me, the 2009-2011 team was so much fun and had myself and my friends that are fans so excited because it was the first one they built from within since before Mess, and came after another fat cat period of hired guns. They played hard, stuck up for each other, were a real team. Then it was ripped apart in the blink of an eye, basically for the glitz of one supposed goal scorer. I knew Nash was not the guy we needed, and I saw this disaster coming, making it worse for me. The constant FA and trade route for years had been a disaster, especially under Sather. That's why I'm so pissed they dismantled that team. Knowing this trade would kill us and being right about it made me more pissed. The fact that this team is now so small, slow, and such a pushover adds to it. The MSG renovation with the huge price increases, seats so small that my knees hurt from hitting the seat in front of me, having to stand up 100 times a game whenever someone wants to get out, with the fabulous scoreboard I can't see because of the Chase bridges, has made me even more unhappy. I don't fall for the marketing crap where now the Garden, fans, and team are a supposed family called "Rangerstown". What a bunch of crap that is. I thought Sather finally built something that could challenge for awhile, but he tore it apart for the same stupid quick fix scheme. Yet, I love hockey, love the Rangers, still pay my money, and hope each game they'll win. Still hope something changes. I'll unfortunately go to my grave feeling this way, but always thinking they're close, just needing a couple of moves to be a top team, yada yada is long gone for me. My Ranger blinders are off and I see reality. This team stinks and is not close. Like a dope, because I love this team, I will continue to wait until Sather is gone, and pray the idiot owner hires the right guy for a change, no matter how long that takes. Sather is older than me. I can wait him out. Yes, I now follow CBJ. If the Rangers are out and CBJ is in, I'll root for them. JD runs the team, there are a bunch of ex Rangers there, and I'd like to see them do well. Just not as well as us. This is not a time to shine, This is a sad, sad time for me. I love talking hockey so I came here. After a job change I no longer work from home, which is why you didn't hear from me for awhile. I have some time off over the holidays so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in as well as vent a little. So try to excuse me for being a passionate fan who is upset at the direction of the team and hated the Nash deal. Any other questions?
I am sure you have been a fan longer than I have been alive, I don't doubt that. I also don't doubt you are a big fan. But I do think you eat this stuff up. You hate Sather (so do I). You hate Nash. Deep inside I think you don't mind those two guys failing. I think this is a good time for you to come here a lot and talk about how you hate those guys, and Dolan and the Garden by connection. Doesn't make you a bad fan to me (who am I to judge). Doesn't make you not a fan. Just you being you, which is cool. But I do think there is a part of you that eats this up right now. Just my opinion.
He was never any of that. You just like to say it. Admit it. He didn't become the goal scorer you predicted and because you were wrong about that, you hated him.
