I am reading posts on this forum and following all the trade rumors and this makes me very mad, not only because we are trading our heart and soul but because it seems I am the only one who is upset. First of all, since when New York Rangers are sellers at the trade deadline? Since when we go into the season not thinking we can win the Cup? What about "the missing piece, aka Rick Nash". Why did we make that trade? So that Nash can get old too in the future that all of you seemed to always be worried about. This is a huge mistake. Stupid Sather is negotiating with Girardi over 300K? and I am sure in the summer he is going to overpay for someone just like he does every year. This is the same situation as with Colton Orr, Prust, Tytin except these players are more A list. Second, what is this talk from Chuck about Girardi and the "millage". This is all bullshit. My wife is a Physical Therapist who treats athletes. Athletes like Girardi play until 40 without missing many games because they never have major surgery, has nothing to do with style of play. If you are concerned about players future durability, then worry about guys who had few surgeries by the age of 30, because after every surgery athletes have to compliment with another side of their body making healthy side of the body more vulnerable to other injuries. A good example is Gaborik, it is not that he is fragile, it is just he had surgery at an early age. Remember my words that Girardi will play longer in hockey than McIlarth who already had few surgeries. Girardi is made of steel and 6M per year for a stellar defensman like him is a bargain, and rumor has it that he only wants 5.5M which is a no brainier. Any team will be happy to pay him 7M and he deserves it. I wish he gets it somewhere else and wins the Cup. With Cali, yes I agree 7M per year is a lot of 7 years due to his injury prone risk factors, however this guy is a heart and soul of this team and he needs to be on this team. If trade does happened, forget about playoffs for many years, which most of you are okay with. Cali will get traded and will win the Cup making him an 8M guy. This guy is from New York and wants to stay here, stupid Sather is worried about leverage and not letting anyone take advantage of him, meanwhile best goalie in the world is here at his prime and we are thinking about the future once again. Why did we make the Nash trade if we thinking about the future? Why are we paying Lundqvist 8.5M? With Zuk out and Girari and Cali traded we are done. Forget about playoffs, or solid defense for many years without Girardi. McILarth will be a bust, don't count on him. I just don't understand our fans. And by the way, Richards can be traded anytime, there is no need to buy him out. He has what 6 years left on his contract at 4.5M per year or after next season 5 years left at 3.6M per year. If he gets bought out how much do you think he will be making? At least that, which makes him a great asset to have. Here trade him and resign both Cali and Girardi and I am sure the return for Richards will be much better than two rentals. This will be even worse than Nash trade. Dolan please fire Sather......
somebody needs to smack some sense into this dude, cally doesn't make us that much better, if we didnt have cally past couple seasons same shit woulda happened oh wait he was hurt so much he wasnt there anyway. this dude is not worth 7 mil a year, and he knows that... he is using his leverage because he is the C. you remember chris drury and that contract? and how we had to eat that for 15 goals a year because he was so "clutch" yet was never clutch for the rangers. Bad deals can make teams terrible for years. Great franchises learn to use there talent and right when there about to decline they trade them. Look at detriot, with players such as brendan shannhan, sergei federov, etc etc they won some cups got rid of them brought new players in drafted well won more cups. we they the "heart" of the team... i bet they meant a lot and fans of detriot were upset like your upset for no reason. If cally was commanding 4-5 mil we would keep him but he isn't so it is what it is, you shouldn't be mad at the rangers you should be mad at cally asking for that. its his fault, not the rangers... glen is doing what is the best going forward. oh and who the hell wants brad richards? can you explain that we tried to trade him last year how did that work? theres a reason he is still here so that avenue is dead. cant trade a player making that much money unless the other team can afford and is willing to take that contract. it is what it is. either way we are not likely to win a cup this year with or without cally, did you see how he played for team USA? terrible. so we need to move ahead and make good decisions for upcoming years.
I can't read the whole novel 2009, but get your facts straight on something please. I have been saying we should re-sign Girardi for 5 years, with a cap hit in the 5's, no doubt. Replacing what he brings is VERY difficult. You are confusing me with someone else fella when you mention the mileage he has on him. I am for sure in favor of re-signing Girardi assuming he stays in the mid 5's to upper 5's cap hit wise. And you think a player like Cally wanting a mid 6's cap hit, and maybe even upper 6's cap hit, is fair? You think that equals him wanting to stay in NY? Disagree totally. If he wanted to stay in NY he'd be in the 5's cap hit wise. I read the Rangers offered 6 mill per for 5 years and he said no...really? All the hockey people have said that while they love Cally he is NOT worth a 6's cap hit, and certainly not mid to upper 6's. Now we really don't know what we offered and what he asked for, but when there is smoke there is usually fire, so I doubt what has been reported is THAT far off. So if Cally wants to stay in NY, his contract demands certainly aren't showing that 2009... Deal him for a solid return now, because we cannot have that big a cap number tied up in a player like Cally. That is bad business.
Great post sleeps. Man you are SO off 2009. Just WAY off bro. No one wants Richards and that contract of his. With the penalties that come with retiring early, that contract is a disaster. We cannot trade him. We simply need to buy him out this summer and move on. I am not angry at Cally, it is his right to ask for whatever he wants, but don't you dare say he wants to stay a Ranger considering what he is asking for now...no way. If you did feel the need to be angry at someone, as Sleeps said it should be Cally not the Rangers. That is clear to me.
Don't become emotional 2009 about players because of the past or what you might think the future will be. This is about current production and current salary demands and how they figure into the cap.
Does 2009 even read this forum? Everyone here (besides 71) really wants Girardi back. Everyone here wants Richards gone. NO team out there is going to trade for him with his cap hit and years, I don't know why you think that's a possibility. As for Cally, if you think he is a 7m dollar player thank god you are not running this team. There isn't a hockey person out there who thinks he's worth that, only Ranger fans who like him as a player. Players who can't break 55 points in a season do not get 7m dollar contracts. He wants to get paid, he doesn't want to be here. Buffalo will give him his money and he can go lose there for the remainder of his career. I like cally as much as anybody but it's clear he wants money over being here. And since that's the case, he must be traded. That's life in the NHL
2/26/14: 8:28AM: “It’s all about the negotiation and pending UFA have the hammer, that is why Ryan Callahan feels gutsy enough to ask for for almost $7 million per year. He isn’t going to get that but you gotta ask it and start a negotiation.” (Darren Dreger on TSN 1050)
And that is the point. Don't tell me it is on the Rangers when a player of Cally's level and ability is asking for almost 7 mill per. Dreger is dead on that he can ask for that, but at some point he needs to come back to reality and accept a fair deal OR understand he will not be a New York Ranger. That is up to Cally to decide what is more important to him. Like I have been saying, I bet he can get a 6 mill + per cap hit deal for 5 years or more from some team, it only takes one, but that still doesn't mean he is worth that across the board, and it certainly doesn't mean it is a smart move by the Rangers. I am fine with however Cally wants to play this, if he wants the big money awesome for him, but do NOT tell me I wanted to be a Ranger and ask for nearly 7 mill per. That is where I get bothered.
There isn't a competitive team out there built to win that will pay him 7m per over 7 years. The only teams that will give him that are teams like buffalo which are gonna struggle to reach the cap floor and have nothing but youngsters on the books. If he would rather play for a team like that, that's his call. If I'm Sather maybe I offer him an extra year at 6m. Maybe I stay at 5 years and go up to 6.2m per. Even thats pushing it. But if that still isn't good enough, time to move on.
In the case of the Rangers its usually a player OVER 30 and its us who pay them a ton of money as UFA LOL
Bingo! They have gotten better not doing that. It used to be every year. Now, they seem to be not willing to do that.
The bottom line is cally's production doesn't equate to anywhere near a 7 mill per year contract. It is more in the 5.5 mill range and by offering 6 mill sather has already gone above and beyond what he reasonably should have to retain cally. It is time for the captain to go. We can't get equal value for a rental so line up the offers and on the trade deadline day take the best one you have. Still sounds like they are close enough with girardi that something will get done there. But if not see scenario for cally on trade deadline day.
Why can't we win? Why are we always planning for the future? Why are we sellers? Yet, we overpay for Clowe with 2nd and 4th, give up our own 1st pick for Nash who has been horrible until lately, but yet when it comes to our decent players we are sellers. Let the guys play out this season, see where we are and instead of giving up our own 2nd and 3rd for a rental keep the rental and keep your picks. Whatever happens, happens. If Cali goes, then so be it.
Sather will overpay in the summer anyway, like he always does and yet he is trying to save a penny on Girardi. This drives me mad.
So you are in favor of giving "homegrown" Cally 6 years @6.75m even though he has gotten over 50 pts once and is almost 29
How does this make us sellers? We're not looking for just picks for him, have you noticed that all the trade rumors involve getting a top 9 forward back? Letting him play out the year then walk for nothing makes even less sense than giving him his 6.75m. We already know what his price is, if Sather won't pay it then you get something for him. Hockey 101
He should be trying to save on both, neither are near 6.5m players. Don't confuse being the captain or logging 22m every night with price. For where Girardi was drafted he's been a great find but he's not a 6m player. He wouldnt be a top pair guy on half the teams in the league.
Actually, Girardi wasn't drafted. He was a FA signing. I agree quibbling over a few hundred thousand is ridiculous and stupid if it's true. I love Cally but holy smoke. He's probably worth around 5 per, and I'd even go to 6 for 5 years with the cap increase and his intagibles. The reported offer is more than fair. His agent says 6.75 for 7 is already a discount? Wow! Buffalo probably will give him what he wants and he can play close to home in obscurity. They're probably the only team that would offer anything close to what he's asking. Insanity to give him that deal.
Disturbed, I am not okay with Cali's asking price, I am saying there is not much we can get for him. He is a rental just like any other rental. Go for it this season with Cali. Add someone else instead to help win this season, LA won being 8th and barely making it. This makes sense to me, so that the "missing piece" shows what he can do. I am tired of this future crap and imbecile scouting. McIlarath before Fowler. You don't even need to stupid scouts, just read the yearly reports for million publications.
