Put your partisan politics aside for a moment and state how you really feel President Obama is doing. For me, I welcomed him initially and had big hopes he would do things like reducing the debt and deficit and usher in some changes. Sadly, he has been divisive and created a worse problem economically than any President in our history. I think he will go down as a bottom 10. Just like Bush.
Yeah, that's not partisan. The Dow has doubled, the S&P is up like 100% from when he started and we're not losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month. Things ARE better than they were in when he took office. Are things great? No. But starting a thread trying to be "serious" about it, and not being "partisan", you kind of failed there. The minute he starts 2 wars, or has massive inflation, massive unemployment or we repeat the late 70's and early 80's, then you might want to re-visit that "worst President" ever. And he's "divisive" because Republicans have made it a point to not agree with anything he says/does. Need an example? Look at what happened to Charlie Crist when he dared to shake hands with him. Or Chris Christie when he actually thanked him. It took the "liberal media creating" a controversy for the conservatives to welcome him back into the fold.
So what you're saying is that if I don't call him a great President I am clearly partisan. Yeah, that's not partisan. I gave my honest opinion. And, if I was partisan as you claim why would I trash Bush? Me thinks you need a doctor. If I trash the right, well it's expected. If I then trash the left I am clearly biased. I love how sheep think. '
I didn't vote for him, but I was hopeful that he wasn't blowing smoke with the "change" and "hope" bullshit. He's no different than any other President. I just thought it was funny that he didn't close Gitmo, he didn't pull us out of Afghanistan, and he sure as fuck didn't make government more transparent. He helped extend the Patriot Act, he helped expand the powers of the NSA, and I think he's a super bullshit artist.
1st sentence: So you hoped he would follow Republican speeches (Republican presidents always do the opposite once elected, anyway). Why would he do that? 2nd sentence: Nonsense. He bailed us out of Bush's creations. Had McCain won, we'd be in 3 more eternal wars plus Iraq and Afghanistan. The poor would be rioting because they'd be dying. No economy, no jobs.
I'm critical of him for his alliance with the spies. But I fully expected it. They don't let you get nominated unless they know you won't give them any trouble.
This is true. I really don't think someone is going to get elected unless the powers that be know that they will play ball. If anyone really wanted to rock the boat, I think that person would meet an untimely demise.
And that's your opinion to his credit. I wasn't trying to start an argument, but to just see what people think.
It's also like Gitmo. Someone aspiring to be President has to trash things like that for talking points. But oncve they become President all that stuff goes away.
From Obama's cheerleading squad and unpaid PR firm: http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...33e28e-aeb2-11e3-b8b3-44b1d1cd4c1f_story.html Democrats face turnout problem, dissatisfaction in ranks leading to midterms
Huh? The playing field seems tilted in republicans' favor for 2014. They seem equally tilted in Democrats' favor in 2016.
I would think that with all of the delayed effects of obamacare coming into play in 2016, that the back lash for the Dems will be fierce..what say you, Denny?
The republicans are just wrong on so many issues, it's hard to see democrats losing in democrat leaning states.
Over many Presidential elections I have seen this repeat: It's obvious in the Democratic primaries who is most conservative, who most liberal. The media keeps saying that the conservative Democrat is the leader. So he gets the most votes, and becomes the nominee. Kerry was a prime example. Carter too. I saw nothing liberal in Obama during the primaries. Just a joyless unsmiling tough guy. Despite my criticism, the Democrat is almost always better than the Republican. But for Washington Governor, I did vote for Republican John Spelling over Democrat Dixie Lee Ray because he was more liberal. Of course, my definition of liberal may differ from yours.
Democrats say the opposite--that when Americans experience more healthcare and lower prices, Republican-invented fears won't work anymore. Democrats look forward to when it takes full effect, and reality replaces accusations.
I agree with every sentiment here. I think Obama out of 44 presidents, he'd probably rank between 15-25, with 1 being the best.
