I still stand by my suggestion to scratch St Louis for one game. It would not hurt the team in any way. Let him sit for one and then put him back out there.
You really gotta let it go, Al. We're about to go into the playoffs and you're still bringing up Torts? time to let it go, buddy.
lets bench a guy of 14 seasons because he hasn't scored...has he been that horrific that you would not play him...realistic. yeah this guy really needs to sit in the stands and see what is going on the ice. want to lose a room real fast..put the guy who has scored more goals than any ranger in the stands. yeah...and you guys think im over the top with torts. as far as you 31...give me a break. again...look at cally stats since leaving should I be going off on how he is doing so much better and St Louis has done nothing?...our scoring IS DOWN from last year with a better roster of players (am I making this up...no im not) i'm not saying to get rid of AV. just pointing out that what we had in the past wasn't as bad as people make it seem. the answer last year from a lot of posters was to simply change the coach with a better offensive scheme...well we did that...and...what....what is the excuse now.... two dmen have considerly been worse than last year, Moore and DZ in this system. I will give the benefit of the doubt that AV needs time to get his players comfortable in his system. We have had Staal all season this year, and goals against has gone up. expected that since we are more offensive minded thinking, yet our goals scored are below last years rate...what is the answer there? The thing that shot Torts was his abysmal power play, and that is on the coaching staff it they never worked on it. shame on him. Right now that is the only thing that has improved, which makes the overall scoring average going down a bigger mystery. Wait...I am wrong..after the 5 goals in Edmonton, the average is now .01 better than last year... see ill admit when im wrong..a whole .01 better with a better power play...wow...im impressed
No, you shouldn't be going off on how Cally is doing in TB b/c you're smart enough, or should be, to realize the reason Cally was traded had nothing to do with his on-ice performance, AV, the system, or even Torts, and it was all b/c of the contract situation with him. It's completely irrelevant to any discussion about one coach vs. the other. What excuse(s) are you talking about???? What we had in the past is not as good as what we have now. This year we have the highest winning % in years, outside of that season when we finished as a #1 seed, and will make it into the POs without sweating it out like most years. Change was needed and somehow you're still the only one who fails to see this. How's your buddy doing in Vancouver? Basically the same team that last year finished 1st is sitting 5pts out of the wild card. Shows how overrated he was and is. Earlier in the season when we were struggling you used to love to bring up Vancouver's record. Funny how that's stopped. Again, time to let it go. Torts is gone for good (thankfully) and has his hands full in Canada trying not to get fired after 1 season. His replacement has been a nice change and the team is doing well.
this team is as good as its going to be! could care less who is scoring, could care less who is playing right now, the players out there are giving this team the best chance of winning. AV is doing a very good job! we will always have something to post about, thats what makes the board interesting! go rangers
I hate to keep this Torts thing going but look what Brooks wrote about him today. This is exactly what people had posted about him on here even while he was with the Rangers. "Tortorella’s narrow vision has done him and his team in this year. He has become the worst kind of zealot behind the bench, believing his way is the only way to win games regardless of his playing personnel, even if that means pounding square pegs into round holes. He is a zealot, a true believer that grinding, blocking shots and packing the defensive end is the one and only route to success. Except now it appears as if that’s leading him to a dead end."
ill let it go once people stop talking about the past. "we have the highest winning % in years, outside the season when we finished as the #1 seed"umm...ok. let's just forget about that season shall we. wow. you know the season that was the last full season the team had..you know the one that got within inches of the cup finals..yeah lets just discount that season. kinda hard to have a decent season when you trade both of your goalies don't ya think. I don't give a shit what vancover does..this team is all I care about. lets get into the playoffs and do some winning why don't we
I read that and figured someone would bring it up. I don't give a shit about Vancover or what is happening over there. This team and that coach was on the verge of winning a cup the last time the NHL had a full season. Had he had a full training camp and season with Nash and Gabby and ahealthy Staal who knows what would of happened.
getting back on topic...this board so wanted to give Moore more and more PP time thinking he was the second coming at the end of last season, now we should put him in the press box for a guy who was traded twice in the same season.
Al, let it go man. Really. He's gone. You can write him letters to Vancouver if you want, but you better do it soon since that may not be his address too much longer. AV is doing great here. Torts had his magical season and we couldn't get it done and his last year here was not a pretty one. His time was up and now we're seeing the benefits. This team was going nowhere with Torts here and needed a new voice and style. Not sure why it's so hard for you to understand this.
reading this post anyone would think you just joined this board. Have you been paying attention all these years? On this board (and ESPN boards prior) the theme goes from SC contenders, dynasty in the making after a win to a complete disaster, blow this team up after a loss.
and that is exactly my point. yet it somehow ends up to be my "crush" on the last coach. you know very dam well that if it was the other way around and Moore was having an outstanding season it would have been the last coach holding him back. same thing goes for our wonderboy kreider. funny how fast he went from savior to him being sent to the minors to start the season.
it ends up being your "crush" b/c you keep bringing him up, just like you did on this thread. We had 13 posts on this thread then you brought up Torts for no reason. Let it go already.
wow..there was a clear reason...again we all wanted more out of Moore from last year...and at the time it was complaints that the old coach should have used him. now we bring in Diaz and suddenly Moore is scrap. something happened to him this year in his development.
bigD, i don't have a dog in this fight, u r a great guy, is all ok in your life? never seen you so angry.... and i'm gonna try and not make you any angrier, but with reagrds to More moore on PP last year, it would not have mattered 1 bit either way who was put on it, i don't know if you heard the interview early this year , a player was asked why was the PP so much better then last year, the answer was plain & simple, we are practicing it! torts was a NUT!
I already said that was a major fault of the coach and is easily a reason to be dismissed. Question though is why has Moore digressed this season when he looked so promising at the end of last season under the iron fist of Torts. We all had high hopes on him progressing and being a leader on the PP.
People have been blaming the coaching staff for years with this team....it's nothing new. But Al is right, if you try to defend the coach by saying "Let's not expect everything to improve just because there's a different dude behind the bench" then people will assume all your doing is blindly supporting the coach. You can only do so much as a coach with a flawed or underperforming team.
don't know enough about hockey to answer, i would imagine AV's system is part of reason, its uptempo, long outlet passes, is moore the type player?
They aren't going to bench St. Louis because he's failed to score a goal, and they'd be stupid if they did. He's a veteran, PROVEN goal scorer and I'm sure this isn't the first time he's gone through a dry spell. He can skate, as well as pass and when on the ice he often draws two defenders, which means someone is open. As long as the Rangers are winning, he doesn't have to score ... but yes I want him to
