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  1. Further

    Further Guy

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    My thoughts on the subject.

    The goal that was near universally mocked as impossible, of signing up 7 million people on Obamacare in the first enrollment period, was actually achieved. And if you include the ones that did it through their states, an increase of over 10 million Americans have healthcare today than had it before the Obamacare law passed.

    There were major issues with the website originally, and there still are some tweaks witch will need to be addressed for the long term health of this law, but all in all, this was a major victory by Obama and the Democrats. Even the polls are starting to show that the American public is coming around on Obamacare and not buying into the negative narrative which was rampant only weeks ago. One recent ABC poll (likely an outlier, more polls need to verify first) even shows the American people nearly equally split on Obamacare.

    I don't know if there will be enough movement by the public to negate the projected losses in the midterm elections, but it certainly is a possible boon to the Democrat chances. Especially when you look at the improvements in the economy and the massive public support on Democratic economic issues like min-wage and other income disparity measures. Right now all polling shows the Democrats likely get killed in the midterms, but still a long time to go till November and narrative and hopefully momentum swings to the left.

    One thing seems to be almost certain, the path of just repealing Obamacare seems highly unlikely now, if the Republicans are able to get a major victory on the subject, it will almost certainly be a repeal and replace, which is basically just a repeal in name only. Many Americans are still very unhappy with Obamacare but the solid majority now believes that there should be some type of universal healthcare. That, is a giant step forward regardless of the longterm prosperity of the actual ACA.
     
  2. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Isn't having 10 million people or 7 million people with insurance now who didn't have it before a good thing? I believe it is.
     
  3. Further

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    Sounds like a great thing to me! And the fact that people with preexisting conditions can have coverage, that's great too.
     
  4. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    There is some question about if the some of the 7 million people had insurance before. And the insurance cost more now for some of the people (and less for some of the people).
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    doesn't this number include people who haven't finished their application, just started the process?
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    My thought is democrats can play with the numbers to make Obamacare look like an overwhelming success while the republicans play with the numbers to make Obamacare look like a complete disaster.

    Truth is probably somewhere in between.
     
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    No, the number is expected to rise once those people are counted, since they are grandfathered in to this round.
     
  8. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Population of the United States 313.9 million.

    So, roughly 2.2% of the population has health insurance now? And that's assuming they were people who didn't have insurance before. How much did Obamacare cost?
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    minus the millions of policies cancelled/to be cancelled due to Obamacare. :MARIS61:
     
  10. Further

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    Well. the 7 mil mark was being mocked as impossible not only by the Republicans, but as little as three weeks ago the AP stated that it would take a miracle to reach the revised 6 mil number. I'm not going to say there aren't problems, but considering the newness of this program and the extreme vitriol levied at Obama and the ACA, right now this program is much closer to a success than a failure. Hopefully both sides of the isle can come together and fix the remaining problems.
     
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    Scare tactics
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    How much has Obamacare cost the country so far?
     
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    BRO STOP SPEWING YOUR VITRIOL.
     
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    Yes the 7 million mark is a major success for Obama and democrats. I suspect republicans are going to do everything possible to try and spin those numbers and stay the course that Obamacare is bad legislation for the country. But it sounds like currently even republicans are backing off Obamacare a little:

    Republicans, who have not relinquished their crusade to dismantle the 2010 legislation, were praising but more skeptical. “At some level you have to take your hat off and say congratulations,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and a former director of the Congressional Budget Office. But he was quick to add, “It’s an interim accomplishment at best.”

    Coming from the source, got to say that this Obamacare might actually help Obama's legacy . . . where before I have taken then position that Obamacare is going to greatly taint Obama's legacy.
     
  16. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    129.8 Million. Oh wait that's the number of emergency room visits in 2010. $1,233 oh that's the average cost of an emergency room visit. Well if we just multiply those for fun, we get 160$B in 2010 for emergency room visits. Sorry What was the question?

    e:
    Okay so I looked a little more and then I found this:
    wait a minute, that's not right. I'll have to keep digging!

    e2:
     
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    I'm not sure about how everything will shake out. Obviously, from my posts you could glean my support, but mostly I just think it's a travesty for a first world nation to not have universal healthcare. I would like it to go much further. But I'm sure there will be successes and failures of ACA, and if it is able to stand the test of time, I assume it will settle on a fairly different final version than we have currently (for good or bad). Yesterday was a win, but it's going to take years to sift through all the good and bad.
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Was that what I asked? No. I did not ask for that information. I asked how much Obamacare is costing.

    129.8 million emergency room visits in 2010? Are those all uninsured? I visited the ER a couple times in the last year. I have insurance. Also, 7 million is 5.3% of 129.8 million.... so it's not even denting that number.
     
  19. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I gave you your information eventually. =]
     
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    here is a recent poll by washington post/ ABC news
    It's only one poll, but its been climbing over the past few months. Now, we have this:

    "Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?"
    3/26-30/14 -> support 49%, oppose 48%, unsure 3%
    more specifics can be seen at the link.


    "Overall, do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling implementation of the new health care law?"
    3/26-30/14 -> approve 44%, disapprove 54%, unsure 2%


    "Overall, do you support or oppose efforts by Republicans in Congress to replace the new health care law?"
    3/26-30/14 -> Support 47%, oppose 49%, unsure 4%
     

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