OT - Clippers Owner Donald Sterling to GF -- Don't Bring Black People to My Games

Re: Banned for life and $2.5 mm fine!

His own statements from previous court cases

 

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This isn't going to court. But if it was:

The tapes were obtained legally, with Sterling's consent (at his request actually). Doesn't matter if they are admissible in court. His offensive comments have been heard by millions and that damages the NBA's brand. The damage has been done. Is there anyone you know who hasn't heard his comments?

My comments are not about forcing him to sell the team, this is about Silver's decision to punish Stern (lifetime ban and $2.5 million fine) which are well within his legal powers as the commissioner of the NBA - the powers granted to him by the owners.

BNM

 

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Absolutely tarnishes it. But sterling, as mm just said, used Kobe raping a girl and getting away with it. Corporate sponsors dropped. Yet Kobe is still playing? Trust me bro, this isn't as cut and dry as you think.

 

Banned for life and $2.5 mm fine!

Yep I used something radical to point something out. In a civil case, you can argue that the evidence was unlawfully obtained. And because of that, the evidence is stricken from the record.

And if you are using evidence without legally obtaining it, then it's against the law

 

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Sterling gave consent to the NBA to use it? He can't be that stupid is he?

Got a link of that?

 

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They will be able to use the tape but don't need it. They can call the woman who heard it, they call Sterling who if he denies saying those things will be committing perjury and can be impeached with teh tape.

The tape may or may not have been illegally obtained. The woman could be facing criminal charges for the tape. But the NBA has done nothing illegal and will be able to use the tape.

 

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Now you're being fucking ridiculous. Murder is a crime punishable by severe sentences, including the death penalty in many states. Being a racist isn't a crime. Also, owning an NBA team isn't a right. He signed an agreement to become an owner. He is legally bound by that agreement (NBA constitution and bylaws). By signing that agreement, he agreed the commissioner's decisions will be final, binding and conclusive - as binding as an award of arbitration. The whole point of legally binding arbitration is to avoid litigation. No judge is going to through out a legally binding arbitration award and let Sterling sue the league over this punishment. He agreed to be bound by these terms and now has to accept them. No crime has been committed here. No one's been charged with a crime. No one is going to jail and no one is getting the death penalty. Comparing a matter of contract law to murdering someone is just plain stupid.

BNM

 

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We will soon find out. We are dealing with a billionaire slim ball here. Someone that isn't concerned with money and has billions to waste in court.

You guys can argue all you want, but in the end, anyone can sue anyone. And the greatest attorneys in the world and get a man caught red handed with the murder weapon, keep him out of jail.

 

Re: Banned for life and $2.5 mm fine!

Nope it's breaking the law. Different sentences, but it's back by "was the law broken?" And if evidence used to kick someone out unlawfully obtain, that's breaking the law.

 

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There will be owners that vote against ousting him I am sure. But I am also sure that they will get enough votes to have him gone. So it won't be unanimous but it will happen.

 

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He doesn't have to give the NBA consent to use it. If it was obtained legally (multiple sources say it was) anyone can use it in court. It's already in the hands of the authorities, but if it wasn't the NBA could subpoena the girlfriend and force her to turn it over to the authorities.

BNM

 

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Yep I think people aren't seeing the forest through the trees here.

 

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Until the court says it was legally obtained is when I will believe it. You are more than welcome to think otherwise.

 

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What proof do you have that the evidence was illegally obtained?????

BNM

 

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I'm not saying Sterling won't sue. He may (I don't think anyone knows what Sterling will do since he is so far out there). I'm just disagreeing with you that the NBA can't use the tape. They will be able to use the tape. But like you said, we will eventually find out if Sterling will sue and if he does if the tape will be used against him.

 

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I don't... But if you are using tape recordings, knowing that I tried doing this in California and being thrown out, I have my doubts.

 

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Personally I hope it was legally obtained. I fucking hate sterling. I want him gone as much as any guy here. I'm just playing devils advocate here. I've been on the receiving and giving end of tossing evidence out with something very similar.

 

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Not sure why the majority position seems to be that if a private citizen makes a tape illegally, it can't be used by anyone else. It happens all the time in family law. The spouse may have committed a crime taping the conversation but 9 out 10 judges in Oregon will listen to the tape and consider it when deciding a family law matter.

It is state conduct that can often lead to suppression of evidence. Private citizen conduct, even if illegal, is not a strong ground to keep out evidence.

 

Re: Mark Cuban's Comments on Sterling

I don't know but it sure seems like he's singing a different tune now.