You think this is a new problem, and not just something which was never reported before? You don't think violence is new? You think just because it's in a new form, it's new?
I'm just wondering when we're going to start holding parents accountable. They always want to lay the blame elsewhere. The media has tried to blame video games, they've tried to blame violence on television, and they've tried to blame guns. When do we start actually looking at the parents and say, "why the fuck didn't you see this coming? What were you doing while your child built up to this?"
To my knowledge, there aren't any stories about little Johnny shooting up his school with a Thompson in the 1920's. I think this is a new problem, yes. Children today have no concept of death. Not like previous generations. They haven't had to go through any major wars. They haven't had to go through a great depression. They haven't dealt with a major disease, like polio or the Spanish Flu. They don't get to see the effects of death on a mass scale, and what it can do to a community. They only think about themselves. They think about how difficult their lives are because so-and-so picks on them, or their parents aren't paying attention to them. They get angry and they lash out. The problem is that nobody is looking at the root of the problem. They aren't identifying WHY these kids are so out of touch with reality. What drives them to pick up any weapon and start killing other kids? The guns don't make them do this. There are no hypnotic powers associated with guns. They can't control your actions. So why are these kids killing other kids? That's what people SHOULD be asking.
You mean like the longest running war in American history? You make a good point here though. The emotions have always been strong in teens, but there could be a bigger detachment from reality.
Not a new problem at all. I just copied and pasted the list of the 20s, so yes, some listed are accidents, whatever. But there are still plenty, and in many other decades, of people going to schools to kill people. And that's just schools, not malls, whatever. This isn't some new phenomenon
The longest running war in American history has only accounted for a few thousand deaths. That's not at all what I'm talking about. Over 400,000 US servicemen died during WWII.
Dude, seriously? Some of those are pretty ridiculous. Some of those are also adults. Most of them seem like one person being angry at another person and taking revenge (which is one of the oldest things in the book). The shootings today seem to be kids who are angry at the world and want to kill as many people as possible.
Seriously being it's not a new problem. You said it wasn't happening back then and it was. Some were adults. Some now are adults. Why does revenge for getting punished at school somehow justify it? It was still a kid who felt wronged acting out in such a manner. Similar to kids today feeling wronged by their school, bullies, teachers, popular kids, whatever and shooting at them. This isn't some new phenomenon because we have 2 working parents and haven't gone to war. That's ridiculous.
Pretty much this. Repped. Agree w/you on all points. To add, mental illness runs rampantly undiagnosed and most parents ignore any other signs because they are too busy. Now you see what happens. Numerous kids are just not equipped to handle issues, take accountability, and rationalize like normal human beings. Take the previous talking point, coupled with hormones from puberty, and shake in (if you'd like) chemicals from our food/water supply, add to that terrible parenting = recipe for disaster.
That's not really my point. I said that kids do not have an appreciation for death. I have no idea what the solution is, because this seems to be a new problem. I think it starts with parents though. Just pay attention to your kids. Take an interest in what they're doing. How the hell are these kids planning these things without anyone knowing? How are they getting to the point where they think this is a good idea? The shooting down in California, I heard the parents knew something was wrong and told the police. The police interviewed the kid and determined he wasn't a threat. I'm not sure what else you can do at that point, but at least those parents saw that something was very wrong with their kid.
Do you think Mental Illness is new? Haven't you heard of Joan of Ark? She lead a goddamn army because of her visions!
Okay I took out all the accidents and adults. Focused entirely on students shooting teachers or other students. There were 8. February 14, 1920: Durant, Oklahoma, At the Durant Normal School, teacher Albert McFarland, was shot and seriously wounded by one of his pupils.[97] March 4, 1920: Cincinnati, Ohio, Student, Lawrence Angel, 14yrs old, shot his teacher Beatrice Conner through the arm for sending him to the principal's office.[99] March 12, 1920: Newberry, South Carolina, William Scott, a student at the Helena colored school shot Henry Gray, another student.[100] May 1, 1920: Summerville, Georgia, At the High School, student Alexander Potter, 15yrs old, fired six shots at his teacher, Prof. Ransom, but missed. Jackson was upset for a severe thrashing, and expulsion, went home to get his father's revolver, then returned to school for revenge. Potter was sentenced to 6 years at a reform school.[101] November 4, 1920: Middlesboro, Kentucky, Prof. Barnes of Middlesboro high school was fatally shot by Adolphus Oaks, for whipping his sister the week before. Barnes had already submitted his resignation to the school board, after his students refused to go to class in protest over the whipping, and intended to leave the city that weekend. Oaks went to jail.[107] March 3, 1922: Lubbock, Texas, After arguing with 15yr old Gladys Solomon, as they walked home from a B.Y.P.U. meeting Sunday night, Houston Upton, age 18, returned to her home and shot and killed her and her friend Nell Umberson, age 13, as they slept in bed. Houston then went to the Sunset school house and fatally shot himself in the chest. Houston was trying to brake up with Gladys that night, after dating for a year, and he wanted his ring back, but she would not give it to him.[112] August 1, 1922: Cherokee County, Oklahoma, While a 5 kids where hanging out at the cuthouse of the Mount Zion school, two shots were fired by Bryant Hignight. One went wild, and the other entered young Raymond Guin's head, killing him instantly. Three of the boys were questioned, but they all said it was an accident.[114] February 15, 1927: Hempstead, New York, James O'Donnell, 18-year-old senior at Hempstead High School, shot himself to death on the stage in the school's auditorium. A suicide note stated that O'Donnell killed himself to lessen the financial burden on his family.[115] Not one of these fits the current school shooting problem. They were almost all cases of one person being angry at another person and killing them. They weren't students going into the school and randomly shooting as many people as possible to take revenge. I still think this is a new problem, which needs to be examined further.
I don't know why Nate is getting so pissed. I was trained to use weapons of all kind in the military. It's my opinion that weapons should only be available to the military or police. That's how I feel. Blame the parents, blame the kids, blame whoever..... Just take the guns out of the equation and these kids wouldn't be dying is all I'm saying. This is the 74th school shooting in the US since the Sandy Hook shooting a couple years ago. Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!
The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down. http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i...igh_shooting_police_1.html#incart_maj-story-1
