No, not at all. No matter what we do the Earth will go right on producing life. There is absolutely nothing we can do to destroy the earth. What we are really talking about and what some very intelligent people in this forum are in complete denial about is can we poison our on existence on this planet to extinction? And the answer is yes. You can stick your fingers in your ears and scream, "there is nothing we can do to harm the planet" all day long and you know, you're right. There is nothing you can do. We can set off every nuke we have and the planet will continue to spin around the sun. But, and this is what people aren't understanding, we can intentionally and/or unintentionally make it so we can no longer exist on the earth. You can talk all you want about how trees have been around for this long or that long or how the ice has been around for this long or that long or talk all about the history of ice ages during the dinosaurs but we are the newest advanced life form on this planet. And newest means we're pretty fucking fragile. We can't live through a very big change to our environment compared to other life forms that have existed for 100s of millions of years on this planet. We are not that robust of a life form. We are the greatest threat to our own existence. Are some of you also in disbelief that we can pollute a river? Oceans? Air? You honestly don't think we're doing any of these things? And if you do, do you not think that the pollution we are producing is harming us? It shouldn't take a scientist to tell you these things. It shouldn't be a debate. It shouldn't be coming as a giant surprise to some of you. We are threatening not only the quality of our lives but our actual lives. What we do on this planet affects our ability to live on this planet.
Ah! now we are getting somewhere. It all comes down to how We ruin the nest. It took a long time to reach this point but we are nearing the point a decision must be made. During my life span, the population of the earth tripled. We added as many people as had ever existed before. It would take less time to do it again but for one thing. We can not feed that many. The Sea won't wash us away so we will be forced to deal with the excess population and GHGs will not be part of the equation.
I wont argue people are poison. I think about it everytime I see a moron buying skittles and pepsi with food stamps. Since you think we are poisoning our own existence by farting and exhaling CO2 im curious if you think homosexuality could be poisoned to our existence? I mean if everyone goes gay eventually we wont have babies? And humans will cease to exist. Using this logic we can conclude if I have to quit driving my truck because of emissions then homos should also have to quit being gay. For the benefit of humanity of course. Also if evolution has been producing smarter forms of life for millions of years then perhaps humans adapting to a warmer climate is actually necessary in the evolutionary process?
No offense taken. maybe, but what we should do is a different question than what are the current facts. I was addressing the latter, not the former. Ok, explain how this quote is about the survey results: It sounds to me like he is acknowledging that there IS a consensus, and furthermore saying that he agrees with it. How is that a statement about the survey results? It is true that he has some quibbles with the survey - he thinks the number is in the high 90's, but maybe not 97%. If it's 95% instead of 97%, is that supportive of your denial? barfo
That's a neat story, but temperatures have been higher in the past, and much of North America was under much more water in the past. Lake Missoula, where I'm near the bottom of right now while visiting family, is a deep lake. Somehow, glaciers carved the valleys here after the lake that doesn't exist anymore was drained. Vim sitting in a lake bed that hasn't existed for a million years, at least. How did that happen?
Do you think homosexuality is contagious? Uh, no. The problem is actually that there are too many humans, not too few. If there were fewer people driving trucks like yours, your truck wouldn't be an issue. It's actually necessary if the climate warms up, yes. Not clear how that will make us smarter, but maybe it will. barfo
I also wonder who says humans can't pollute a river? Anybody who says that isn't worthy of any consideration on this topic.
Homosexuality does seem contagious I mean when one celeb says hes gay everyone turns gay. I kid I kid But if we use to be apes and the need for food made our brains bigger to form tools ect ect like evolution claims who is to say our lungs wont adapt to breathe CO2 and we'll develop bigger sweat glands? I mean science damn it lets use some fucking logic here.
Some people say AGW is a fact, too. I consider that view as idiotic as those unnamed people who say humans can't pollute rivers or lakes. Both sides are based on unscientific proof.
Sure. How fast do you think evolution works? How many generations will it take for humans to develop those CO2 lungs and sweat glands? Now how fast is the earth warming? Let's do. barfo
So you do think we can pollute a river? What about an ocean? Do you think we polluted those things intentionally for our benefit? Correct me if I'm wrong but you taking issue with the river part means that you believe that we can negatively affect some parts of our environment but not others. Humans can negatively affect land, sea and air but it's impossible to think that we can negatively affect climate? It's a complete impossibility for us to do that?
We know god doesnt exist because we cant see him How do we know global warming exists if we cant see it starring us in the face?
If global warming really exists why doesnt it just make a sign in the sky that says im global warming and I exist. You guys are so gullible, I bet you'd believe in a flying spaghetti monster if I told you there was one And dont get me started on your tv evangelists that tell me if I buy carbon credits ill be blessed.
The science says humans do pollute rivers and lakes by dumping chemicals in them. None of that has anything to do with CO2 emissions, though, and the effect on temperature. Are you sure you're in the right thread? Humans polluting rivers has as much to do with AGW as me whistling a song right now. Both are provable facts; no maybes are involved in either case. CO2 is a naturally occurring "poison." Dumping lead into a river is not natural.
That quote is lifted from a critique he wrote criticizing the bogus math ideology used to come up with the consensus figure. I have no doubt that 97% of the papers filtered through biased reviewers say there's global warming (I agree there is), a lesser number that say man is contributing to it, and an even lesser number that say it is something to be alarmed about. It is no AHA moment as you feel it is. The whole point us politics and it is a form of terrorism - destroy our economy or else fire and brimstone. When does that start anyway?
Ocean acidification is the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans, caused by the uptake of carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere.[2] An estimated 30–40% of the carbon dioxide released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes.[3][4] To achieve chemical equilibrium, some of it reacts with the water to form carbonic acid. Some of these extra carbonic acid molecules react with a water molecule to give a bicarbonate ion and a hydronium ion, thus increasing ocean "acidity" (H+ ion concentration). Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.25 to 8.14,[5] representing an increase of almost 30% in H+ ion concentration in the world's oceans.[6][7] Earth System Models project that within the last decade ocean acidity exceeded historical analogs [8] and in combination with other ocean biogeochemical changes could undermine the functioning of marine ecosystems and many ocean goods and services.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
What's your point? Wiki says humans can pollute water? I'm not denying it. Weird tangent, and disappointing because I've long considered you to be a reasonable person open to admitting we can't as humans know the solution to everything. Shutting down coal and oil will have a big impact. Millions will die while waiting for unicorns who fart free electricity.
