AUGUST 7TH DETROIT TIGERS VS NEW YORK YANKEES GAME THREAD 1:05PM START

...well stated, and I've essentially been saying this for quite awhile...the game of today has evolved into a completely different animal than the one we knew many years ago...all managers "coddle" their players, because teams and their owners want to protect their investments. If you commit several millions of dollars to a player/s, that player gets paid whether he plays or not and so it behooves management to ensure those high dollar players spend as much time on the field as possible...and if they try to rush an injured player back too quickly it can easily turn into something that will ultimately keep them out of the line up even longer.
...you can't compare today's players to minor leaguers or to players that played before free agency...it's just not the same.
...simply put, if you need to rest a player and let them heal for a 2-3 games and give them a better chance of performing up to their abilities, you do it. We may complain about Tex for example, but there is no disputing that the Yanx are a MUCH better team defensively when he plays than anyone else they can put out there. I'd rather him miss games now than in October. (if they get that far)

 

I understand what Pasta is saying, I mean you have to put the team first. So if you're in the 9th down one run & you need base runners & the shift is literally giving you the whole left side you BETTER know how to lay one down the 3rd base side to get on base. Sorry but there is just no reason or excuse not to be able to do that.

 

...what ?...where did he say or imply anything like that?

 

my exact sentiments as well......I - 2nd that notion/motion......this is no longer the game we grew up with....or, for a Mgr. Coach, Player;.....players are commodities these days...
Blew my mind when I heard early in the year, this pitcher or that pitcher, we being recalled off the Post Surgery DL , made me think, how MLB treats alot of Pitchers (commodities) like selling used cars, or recalling problematic cars......

 

I know he's talking about injuries but he's stated in the past (as have most of us) about the use of hitting against the shift. You can't ASK the players to do it, you have to TELL them to do it. Like I said...just no excuse. And like you've mentioned, the only way to stop the shift is to start hitting against it.

 

...rick, I'm talking about this thread...what someone has said in the past in a different thread about a completely different subject is irrelevant to what we were talking about in this thread...we were talking about players playing hurt, and it has nothing to do with "the shift". The term "shift" was not uttered once in this thread, and you said you "knew what he was talking about"...and he was not talking about the shift.

...just sayin'.

 

Picky, picky, picky. He was also talking about coddling players & I thought not hitting against the shift also applied to that comment.

 

...wtf?....Girard IS NOT an idiot !...stay on topic.

 

59 , you're 100% right, todays player IS different!!! because of the money, years ago when i played it was for the love of the game, BUT!!! there are still coaches out there who get there players to BATTLE! for instance maddon, in a "spring training" game his boy took out cervelli at homeplate, broke his arm or something to that affect... thats what i'm talkin about!!!! show me something!!!!! thats where i''m coming from.... i'm doing push ups in my hotel room after curfew for my team, work ethic!!! a term that went out along time ago.. and i aint no gungho nut, its about the team!

 

...Maddon is a very good skipper, but if the manager is so crucial, why are the Rays 10 games out?...the Yanx are only 5.5 game out.

...does this mean that Girardi is 4.5 games better than Maddon? ...derp.

 

numbers are like puppets, you can make them say anything you want, but they never really reveal the obvious....to often the obvious, is strewed by those very numbers, some manipulate to get the desired result of thieves, not telling the real story, or truth......if I've learned one thing in life, it is numbers can lie.

People can make gold look like shit, or shit look like gold, using numbers to their own means.

Kinda' like WAR, what a useless non-legit stat.....!

 

What did I miss, who called Girardi an idiot in this thread? I know it wasn't me.

 

u can argue that a coach is not crucial to a team, but then you have the phil jackson case.... the bulls and the lakers had the best players in the world, they couldn't get it done until the final piece of the puzzle was put in place, and jackson was it, yes or no?

 

I've got to be honest, Jackson is not a good example because he picked his fights. There's a reason he never took the Knicks job as a coach or several other losing teams that wanted his services. The fact that he only coached where he had the best chance of winning was by design. He never had to deal with scrubs or had to try a build a team. It was strictly superstars for him or nothing. Case in point he left the Lakers after Shaq left. And left the Bulls after Pippen & Jordan left.

 

i have heard that said a 1000 x's, it still does not guarantee u a ring, shaq & kobie were together b4 jackson got to LA, they demanded he be coach.... hes not called the "zen master" fir nuttin

 

If the true Zen Master, approached this convo with his own words, I't be more like, "is the boat moving by itself, or is the boat moving cuz the water's moving, no dummies, (whack with the stick), nothing moving but your minds..........."

All elements ARE essential to the mass sum of ITS parts. Each singular element is as crucial. The mass sum of all elements is no greater than its parts.

"I believe in nothing everything is sacred, I believe in everything, nothing is sacred"

 

Zen my ass, they were a very good team prior to Jackson coming on board. In 98 they went to the conf finals under Del Harris. And 99 (the year before Jackson picked his landing spot) there was a strike. Jackson joined the team for the 99-2000 season. And yes he implemented the Triangle offense that gave them that final push. So for that extra little shove I'll give Jackson credit. But lets be honest the foundation was already there. As 1000s have said over the years, he picked his battles wisely.

 

He'd also say, "back on your Zabutons, its not time for Kin Hin"

Is this staff short or tall....? said the 'Zen Master to his student.."answer short, tall, long, small, and I shall whack you with this staff 100 times, if you don't answers 1000 whacks,....now quick which is it.......?

now personally, I'd take the staff out of his hands, whack him with it, and say: now why do you ask me such stupid Questions....?

That IS the real Koan Breaker..........!!!

Just ask me, "I don't know nothing".....but I did study with Taizan Maezumi Zenji, and others; drunk from the deep clear still wells of Eihei Dogen Zenji, for most my life.....long before Phil was making lay ups himself as a mediocre player, n student of the game....not braggin, just the facts.....

 

HUH?