BTW, fonz, I'm fine with you taking out some anger on me. I can't imagine what my cousins went through, as it was tough enough on the rest of the family. I'm not your enemy. I have an opinion and have been through enough therapy to know I need to feel how I feel about the subject.
I need help? This was 3 years ago and I've more than found my peace and been able to learn and be a better person from it. But you are going to pass blind judgement and say I need help. You should have never come back to these forums papag.
No anger to take out regarding my fathers death. I'm just pissed that I petitioned for you to be unbanned. Feel like the biggest idiot about that right now. But I can't take my anger out on you for that...it was my mistake.
Funny you mention that. The first one that shot himself was battling cancer and severe back pain. He wrote a suicide letter to his wife, saying the pain is too hard to handle. I definitely agree the other was extremely selfish. P.S. Don't leave man. We need to argue about who has the bigger RPG!
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better or worse but PapaG wasn't unbanned so your petitioning failed. Truly sorry about your loss. That's rough.
Man I hate to jump in but can you just back off on this one. This is obviously a topic that hits home and I think it's fair to say he talks from a deeper place than all of us when it comes to this topic. Imagine if I made the blunt statement that I thought all people who deal with their brother committing suicide by drinking are weak and selfish. I don't think that and feel like taking a shower even typing that to you . . . but that is what you sound to fonz. He has has been forced to think more about this topic and contemplate what it all means far beyond a gut reaction or casual relation to this kind of situation. He talks from the heart and deep thought about this and is saying your analysis is insensitive and wrong. Maybe you should reconsider instead of taking such a firm stance on this. We can all learn things, everyday of our lives.
I'm not the one passing judgement on how suicide should be viewed. I understand your thoughts on it. I've seen the aftermath of 15 years after the suicide. If you want to be angry at me for having an opinion on a subject that impacted my family in a major way, there's not much I can do about it other than let you vent, because I know it hurts.
Why in the fuck would you care about a poster on a message board and his thoughts about suicide? Perhaps this subject is a bit too close to you at this point to be reasonable about? I think suicide is a selfish act. I've dealt with depression for 13 years, but would never, EVER, do that to my kids.
Appreciate it, and it was. There is actually a great robin williams quote from goodwill hunting that puts the whole debate about being selfish because it affects family to rest(in is situation, again there are always circumstances) "You'll have bad times, but it'll always wake you up to the good stuff you weren't paying attention to." It will be very hard for his children for a while, it was a little over a year for me. But there will come a time where they will wake up and view the situation differently, and they will begin to take away lessons from it, and reminisce on the joy they had. It will always be difficult, they will probably always shed a tear when they flip channels and see his smiling face full of cheer on the screen. But you see that is the beauty in it, because at that point the tears are appreciation for the impact that person left on you.
I understand what you are saying. His act hurt people. BUT you can't beat depression on your own. Without the right medication and/or therapy, suicide is often the result. I have bipolar disorder and before I was treated (and when we changed my treatment a year ago), I went through awful spells of suicidal feelings. It's like your brain is programmed to kill yourself. You can't do anything about it. It's not a question of will power. So its not like youre purposely out to hurt your family. If I never got help, I'd be dead now. No question in my mind.
Of course it hits home. Am I not allowed to have feelings about it? Jesus Christ, I have a cousin who is probably blowing some rich guy on a street corner in San Francisco so he can maybe buy some more drugs tonight. This brings up bad memories for me, too.
Is it selfish to die of cancer? It's the SAME thing. Depression is a disease. Your brain becomes programmed for you to kill yourself. You clearly have never dealt with depression so you don't get it. You're just seeing it from the outside. I was saved by "Bones" and medication. First season of "Bones" (when the onset of my bipolar disorder hit) and medication saved me because the show kept me focused and the medication fought the illness. I didn't want to lose the best job of my life. The network even told me if I needed to go to a mental hospital, they would keep my job ready for me when I came back. So they were very supportive. And I had one of the best doctors in the country. It took me two years to get completely balanced. I lived but I gained compassion for everyone who kills themselves. This is a compassion you don't have because you're just looking at it from the outside. I get people who kill themselves because of depression. It makes perfect sense to me. And yes, it's sad for the loved ones. But like I said, do you hold it get against someone if they die of cancer? It's the same thing.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/showbiz/robin-williams-dead/ Happy Days" star Henry Winkler said it was "unimaginable that this is the reality today, that this incredible human being, incredible, delicate, funny, dramatic human being is gone." Winkler said he "realized I was in the presence of greatness" at Williams' first rehearsal as Mork. "I just realized my only job is to keep a straight face," said Winkler, who played "The Fonz." "And it was impossible. Because no matter what you said to him, no matter what line you gave to him, he took it in, processed it, and then it flew out of his mouth, never the same way twice. And it was incredibly funny every time."
I'd suggest that this subject is still very raw to fonz, and perhaps he should refrain from posting about it. I did nothing wrong, and I gave what is my opinion on suicide, and how I've seen how it destroys lives. 3 years is nothing for a young man to have to deal with something like this. I've seen it firsthand, and have been to interventions because of it. I'm always the bad guy, though, so I guess I'll get pissed at myself for actually trying to talk to him about it. Instead, I get blasted on the main board for bringing up Oden's felony charges, and the extreme violent nature of what he did to AC Green's niece. Just so I'm clear, nobody else is allowed to have an opinion on suicide and how it impacts a family. Is that right? I'm a huge fan of Robin Williams' work, too. That doesn't mean I can't think he took the easy way out, and how I think down on his drug and alcohol abuse.
