God's not dead

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  1. MarAzul

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    ummm, I didn't see it that way.
     
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    “Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you.”
    ― Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
     
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    Yeah, me either. It sounded more like he's dating his daughter. Which is strange.
     
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    No I take my daughter out on dates. She's my only daughter and I want her to always know she's daddy's little girl.

    Stop being perverts!
     
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    You don't take your daughter out on dates? Just you and her?
     
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    Stop making it so very easy. ;)

    As to your question, I have no daughter, but I can certainly understand quality time for a father and child. I was just bantering.
     
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    Hahahahaha
     
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    Let's review:

    Denny thinks something eternal can be created.

    Denny doesn't think something existing at 0 time is not eternal, "without a beginning or an end"

    Denny thinks time was not created with the creation of the universe.

    Denny believes that something with a beginning has no purpose.
     
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    No. I think if time is finite, "eternal" is an oxymoron. We know time is finite.

    Yes. Nothing existed before time=0.

    I think the universe did not create time. I repeat that at time=0, the universe was a singularity. There was no "before."

    Right. Some of the time. Shit happens.
     
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    It is not an oxymoron because "eternity" is timeless, so it can exist before the universe exists. Look no further than "singularity" like you try and put your faith on.

    I said "at", not before. But we know you have a reading comprehension problem when you debate

    And? Who you arguing with? I've already said that time and space was created when the universe was created.

    The universe has purpose. No "some of the time"
     
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    Time is relative and therefore cannot be equal to zero. Therefore the creation of something relative began time at something beyond zero.
     
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    I get that you are confused about the nature of time. It can be either eternal or finite. If it is finite, YOU have an oxymoron because you can't say "always existed" for anything. Always existed means before time began... Logic fault. You go boom.

    ETERNITY IS INFINITE TIME, but TIME IS FINITE. Oxymoron. Either/or.

    The universe has no "purpose." It happened. There's no "design" to any of it - just that things that don't find an equilibrium fail.

    The solar system has no purpose. It was blind luck that enough remains from an old star that blew up at the end of its life collected densely enough in our region of space.
     
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    Singularity existed without time no? Time zero is an oxymoron. It starts the moment the hand moves.

    wrong, eternity is "timeless". Infinity is infinite number

    Lmao and your reasoning. Also it's funny you dumped the religion card in this debate. We can use singularity if you wish. You are still dead wrong with what you think.

    When something has a beginning, it has purpose. You don't have to think "God did it" to understand something so Simple.
     
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    Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion. It was literally the moment of Creation. ...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

    Caused that to happen = purpose
     
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    Jastrow concludes, "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
     
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    These are well respected scientists that don't even believe in God. But let an SportsTwo administrator tell you all that you got it all wrong.

    This is not even a debate. How can you reason with someone that doesn't believe something is eternal when they admit that the universe had a beginning? And because of this beginning, something "timeless" started the entire motion. End of story...
     
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    But Denny will answer simply "puh puh puh puhlease believe me!"
     
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    This about sums it up
     
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    There likely was a cause of the Big Bang. The theory does not attempt to identify the cause.

    There was no purpose in the sense that some imaginary being decided it was a good idea and that Man would eventually arise because of it.

    You misrepresent what those scientists are saying.
     
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    Anything with cause = purpose. End of story... Stop trying to sugar coat your nightmare.

    You think eternal is an oxymoron, but believing that something cannot be eternal is the true oxymoron.

    Let's take God out of the equation and get you to at least admit singularity is eternal
     

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