And what's that? Show me where it says the Bible is 6,000 years old? Regardless, you still haven't proved the model is wrong.
The axioms are wrong. The proof is correct, but based upon bullshit. Again, as further pointed out, the first three axioms are bullshit. Thus the rest of the logic is meaningless. I dare you to prove the first axiom he offers is correct. Chicken? Bawk bawk!
Lmao Denny you have it all wrong once again. I don't disagree with the axiom, therefor I don't have the burden of proof. You are required to prove its wrong
Your thought is flawed in this case because it is the responsibility of an axiom to be almost universally accepted.
How can the earth be older than 6000 years when it's documented in the bible that it's 6000 years old? http://creation.mobi/6000-years There's Godel's same sort of logic. Refute it!
That hasn't proved its that old. Have you factored what a timeless God and a day? Even you argued time is different in different parts of the universe. So what's the baseline? Because we have young earth christians and old earth ones. But both believe God is positive. Try again
So in our argument, singularity is held to the same principle? Maybe the Big Bang? All aren't universally accepted. Are they held from different parameters? And show me where is must be universally accepted?
LINCOLN — An imprisoned "Pastafarian" has sued Nebraska prison officials, saying staff violated his civil rights by denying him the chance to worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Stephen Cavanaugh, 23, filed the federal civil rights lawsuit against the Department of Correctional Services and Nebraska State Penitentiary officials, saying penitentiary staff repeatedly discriminated against him by not allowing him the right to meet for worship services and classes, or to wear religious clothing and pendants. "The only reason (my) requests were denied is that (my) religion does not conform to the 'traditional' Abrahamic belief structure," said Cavanaugh, who claims he isn't the only Pastafarian at the prison. Adherents believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world and pirates were its initial followers, according to the church's website. They are known to wear colanders on their heads. An Oregon man who brought the so-called religion to prominence in 2005 said more than 10 million people "have been touched by His Noodly Appendage." Members claim Pastafarianism isn't anti-religion but rather the rejection of dogma. The Nebraska prison system recognizes 20 different religions, including Rastafarianism and Satanism. Officials claim the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a satirical movement, which Cavanaugh calls insulting. "The founder of Pastafarianism stated that it was a parody of religion," a prison official wrote in denying one of Cavanaugh's requests. "The Nebraska Department of Correctional Services will not dedicate administrative and facility resources to support a parody." Department spokesman James Foster declined comment, citing the pending litigation. Inmates seeking accommodations for their faith must submit a written request to the prison's http://columbustelegram.com/news/lo...cle_7b39b361-d0c4-52b8-a2cb-afc479e4cda5.html
You argue his point. If the "truth" can't be agreed upon then it can't be used as an axiom. The creationists believe totally that the earth is 6k years old so they would feel like that's a given, usable as an axiom because it's blatently true. But to you, and to me, it sounds totally ridiculous. Hence, not usable as an axiom.
The age of the universe or Earth has no relevance to God being a positive. That axiom is not being used in this model
First, I said almost. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom are the axioms being used without controversy?
Wait a minute?! The controversy is what? There are no positives? God is not positive? What? We are talking "logical reasoning". As in "what if God existed, what would he be like?" It is pretty universal that all would agree he's positive if existed.
Yes, but the axioms that are being used are just as flawed from my perspective. So, denny is using the absurdity of the creationist stance To demonstrate that we see the axioms that are being used by Göbel as equally bonkers.
Or how about we take the "Biblical God" out of the equation? Let's insert "creator" instead. Creation is good, the entire universe is created, so the creator exists. You guys are muddling this model up, trying to discredit the Bible for some reason
Absurdity?! You generalizing again? Taking a young earth Christian and saying all Creationist believe it as some indicator is absurd! That's like saying you saw a black man steal, so all black people are thieves! How absurd is that?!?!
ill check in later, gotta do some work. But no, it's the axioms, not the bible we are disagreeing with, we are simply bringing up the bible to demonstrate a point. Ok, it's up to you and denny for a while.
Denny said "Godel's modal is not math" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godel's_incompleteness_theorems So we can all see how silly Denny's logic is
