God proof models

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  1. Further

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    I think you guys are right, I was just giving multiple possibilities in my response. I remember Neil Tyson talking about how (should we survive long enough) there will come a day when the universe has expanded to the point that we start losing information because everything outside of our (can't recall if he said Galaxy or solar system) would drift so far from us its existence would become a myth, totally untestable. A distance so far light couldn't make the journey.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I think it was explained like "picture heat as length" there is no such thing as negative 5 feet
     
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    Absolute zero is pretty damned cold.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That's another common misrepresentation. The absence of light is also impossible. At least so far observed
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    To us yes! Lmao like wtf cold.

    But I think the theory is that heat is the measurement of molecular movement and atoms are always moving. I think it can stop moving maybe. I can't remember.
     
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    It's not the absence of light as in it can't exist, it's that the distance too too great for light to make the trip.



    But as an aside, there have recently been labs that have been able to freeze or stop light, then restart the light.
     
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    I believe at absolute zero atoms stop moving. Since they can't be slowed more than stopped, there can be no colder temp.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Let's move this topic in the naturalist thread. I'm open to discussing it there
     
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    Why, the God proof models weren't going anywhere. I'll sum up the first 11 pages
    Poster A - God
    Poster B - not God
     
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    I see.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    They were... Just sometimes circles aren't a progressive momentum
     
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    Gosh another Mathematician sees the improbabilities us not having God's help.

    "But if a mathematical analysis of evolution - and the anthropic principle - hints with even the smallest probability at a non-naturalistic universe, at the fingerprints of a divine creation, and even if we believe this probability to be vanishingly smaller than that of evolution, the nature of an externally created and defining "other" suggests that this a probability that should not be left unexamined."

    From Pascal's Wager

    It's worth checking the mathematics before our time in this universe is up.

    http://www.darwinsmaths.com/#ch12
     
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    Now that I think about it, I don't know any Mathematicians that have used their skill and talent to prove God does not exist or the prove he is not needed. I suppose one exists
    but apparently without recognition.
     
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    I actually agree with this 100%. Money has been tossed to some of the shittiest concepts humanity has created.

    I mean look at obamacare!
     
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    Interesting! More Mathematicians believe in God than any other group but Biologist that do, are increasing.

    "The relatively improved faith of biologists may well be due to the gradual decline in credibility of Darwin's theory of natural selection. Too many holes have appeared in it, and biologists would be the first to become aware of this. They would know before anyone else, for instance, of the failure to discover the fossil remains of transitional species, of the failure of laboratory experiment to duplicate any evolutionary change and, most recently, of the profound complexities evidenced in the single cell, which Darwin regarded as "the simple cell.""

    http://www.transformingteachers.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=173

    As for the Mathematicians, perhaps they are more concerned with logical consistency, where the scientist worries about verifiability. Still the Biologist are increasing, more becoming aware of the limitations of their knowledge and (heaven forbid) the need for help! About 44.6% of the mathematicians affirm a belief in God. The most commonly known all seem to be there or were, AE, KG, Pascal, Newton, Galileo.

    Interesting the attack on mathematical axioms by Betrand Russell.

    "Pure mathematics consists entirely of assertions to the effect that, if such and such a proposition is true of anything, then such and such another proposition is true of that thing. It is essential not to discuss whether the first proposition is really true, and not to mention what the anything is, of which it is supposed to be true … If our hypothesis is about anything, and not about some one or more particular things, then our deductions constitute mathematics. Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.[13]"

    http://fieldlines.org/2012/01/21/god-of-the-mathematicians/

    Russell won a Nobel Prize for his work as Denny points out. But then his work was pretty much demolished by Gödel a renown mathematician that used of axioms. Russells logic sound very much like the logic Denny and Further used above. Russell does not appear in this list of famous Mathematicians, they do not give a Nobel prize for Mathematics.

    http://www.thefamouspeople.com/mathematicians.php
     
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    44.6% believe in God? Wow!!! I would have thought that was smaller
     
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    http://www.thestar.com/news/2008/01/26/math_religion_trouble.html

    The New York Times reported recently that mathematicians believe in God at a rate 2 1/2 times that of biologists, quoting a survey of the National Academy of Sciences. Admittedly, that's not saying much: Only 14.6 per cent of mathematicians embraced the God hypothesis, versus 5.5 per cent of biologists (versus some 80 per cent of Canadians who believe in a supreme being).

    What god wants, god gets. God help us all.
     
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    When you list people like Babbage, Boole, Einstein, Galileo, Gödel, Kepler, Newton, Pascal, and more. Mathematician with a believe that God was indeed the creator, some come to this by logical deduction, maybe not a personal god as some religious doctrine teaches, but a necessary god. As was attributed to Einstein, "he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe".
    All logical men, with them leading the list, I'm not sure it matters if you add MarAzul and others or that 56% do not wish to be on the list.
     
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    Or the other logical man doesn't believe in a creator because they don't want to answer to a creator
     

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