Please keep in mind Daigotsu, Stomp also preached how Rollls wouldn't make an impact as a true freshman if even make the rotation this year, and stated so in other posts. Now Rolls has done what no other back in Oregon history has done and not as a redshirt but a true freshman! He'll also be freshman of the year hands down! Imagine if we had a Rolls on the defensive side of the ball too? You're absolutely right in what you're saying!
link? you won't provide one because it doesn't exist. I've said Royce would have a hard time surpassing two established backs and that it's not commonly done. I've never said that he wouldn't as unlike you, I root for the Ducks to succeed. How is your "hoped for 7-4" record going? STOMP
good grief with the constant drama and hypocrisy. You've repeatedly flat claimed I have various mental afflictions/need to take my meds and now you're going to cry poor innocent victim about me saying you're exhibiting OCD behavior for repeating the same exact crap take for the billionth time? Demonstrating once again that you can't (or refuse to) grasp our very simple board rules isn't an excuse anymore. Believe me, no one cares & everyone is sick of this shit STOMP
You have." It's not what a prospect is rated that matters, it's who they turn out to be." This was after your nonsequitur about Nelson, who no one was disappointed about after looking at the tape and understanding how his year long injury effected his ranking. You then use a Mufi/ KLS weight height comparison to imply they are physically the same, then go on to talk about how 5 stars are just physically better and how that causes them to be worse technicall ." . I've no reason to think of most 5*s as technically better then others in their class, in fact I'd suspect it's usually just the opposite where they've been succeeding with superior athleticism and have further to go on the finer points. " Statistically higher ranked players are more likely to make team impacts than their lower ranked counterparts. Both will have their exceptions, i feel fine in my disappointment in not landing KLS andcapparently not pursuing cowart or gallimore hard enough. Three stars who are studs are great and often miss ranked like walker or nelson were, despite good offers and great tape. With armstead, and washington and maybe buckner leaving I would have liked another elite DE outside of canton to come in and compete. We seemed to have washed out there and the team is looking at JC who are more experienced but riskier to come in and provide competition there.
If I'm not mistaking Nelson was a very highly rated player out of Florida until he tore his ACL/ MCL junior year in high school, and all the big boy programs ran away from him except the Ducks. This is the kid I'm pretty sure who came out on an official in that typhoon of rain last year against WSU and committed the same weekend, saying the Ducks were his dream school? I think with Buckner, Canton and Balducci we could even be better next year on the ridiculous 3- hybrid than this year. Something tells me Canton is what we all Ducks hoped AA would be and never really became! That said we need depth at the DT position, we are an injury away from being in tough shape in the trenches.
you're blending Charles Nelson memories with Tony James. James was the later memory, except that was against Cal. STOMP
Nope, he is right. James injury was his senior year near the end. Nelson missed pretty much all of his junior year.
No we weren't. Since you've talked so much shit, I did some research & surprise surprise, you're full of it. He was Oregon's low 3* fall back Tazer option after Budda Baker switched to UW... they didn't offer him until January 2014. Here's the money quote from Scott Frost to Nelson's coach following CN's Senior year... 'Is it too late to get in on this guy?' http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/11/charles_nelson_can_do_anything.html I know one person who was disappointed about them offering Nelson. Here's Mr. Disappointed in the 2014 thread after Budda decommitted & right after I relayed they were having Nelson in for an OV... egg meet face good grief Miss Cleo. I was comparing them for the exact reasons I've repeatedly stated I was comparing them. Two Drop End prospects. One a poster really really wants who is listed 6'6 220, another he's blowing off as "too skinny" who is listed 6'6 215. Thats it! Neither of us mentioned their talent. For talent evaluations, I trust the consistently successful coaches of the very unlikely #2 team in the country to continue to spot the diamonds in the rough much more then I trust the recruiting sites that are annually proven wrong. Apparently you're just the opposite. To each their own. Unlike Nelson, Oregon truly has been after Mufi for a long time as they offered him last summer. While it isn't a good thing that they missed on someone they obviously really liked as evidenced by having KL-S in early on an OV, that Mufi has offers from most of the Pac 12 makes it seem like he must be pretty good too. You've given me every reason to think that attempting to walk you through this is an exercise in futility. I'll pass STOMP
James's injury was in an All American game after he'd committed to Oregon. Here's an article from the O after he committed following his OV at the Cal game/hurricane. Nelson's OV was well after the season was over. http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2013/09/oregon_running_back_recruit_to.html STOMP
Yep is was Cal and a storm like I've not seen, and both were from Florida, but I'm pretty sure Nelson almost suicide picked us like James did? Pretty sure Nelson was ranked pretty well before his injury though.... Both really wanted to be Ducks, and coming from Florida I thought that was a huge statement that the Ducks had become a national recruiting brand!
As for recruiting again.... We need a stud backup for Balducci if he gets hurt next year... I'm not seeing that 6'4 300 pound take on a double guy in the middle yet on the recruiting trail and that has to be a major concern. Maybe Kamp in a pinch.... Outside of him no one on this team fits that DT, NG spot that well..... Maloata is a good year away from being a dependable starter till he figures out his leverage and newly acquired weight....
no idea what a suicide pick might be. Both guys liked the Ducks from afar and committed on their OVs like a lot of prospects do. he was a highly touted prospect early on in his HS days, but he was injured prior to the services doing their rankings. Read the article I linked and you'll see that Oregon wasn't aware of him until very late in the cycle STOMP
What's left QB- Flip Murray have several open Scholarships take a flyer on Trent Hosick Get Miller post season. Most likely none of the above. RB/WR There is Merritt, and that's it. No news on that front. Him or Bust. OL Uluave, not really for this class because we are full. but it counts because he'll go on his mission and play in 2017. Him or Bust TE- We're done. Got one Project will probably focus more on next class. DB- Tell Spencer Doherty I think we'll take one, only two if we land Tell (which is extremely unlikely) Depends on if Spencer or Doherty contacts the coaches first. LB- Houston Bartlett Durant I feel Bartlett has distanced himself, and may choose colorado or someplace closer to home. Houston we have more of a shot than say Tell or flipping Murray but still unlikely. Durant who knows. 50/50 for both Bartlett or Durant. 1 in 10 for houston. DL- Manu, he is pretty much a silent. Beckner, only if he visits but unlikely green, Snow ball in hell seem to be in a waiting game now.
Daigotsu What's your feeling on why we can pretty much recruit any offensive player we want but can't close a D line player or LB of high star value in years? Canton and AA may be our most well known as of late, and I have no doubt that if either had committed to USC they'd have a 5th star to boot, just like Royce didn't and Taj lost for coming here! So on D is it..... Coaching? Scheme? Players don't think our D is a priority rather a stop gap till the offense can throw up more points? I don't think the weather excuse will hold to much water these days with the kind of players on O coming here and from where.
Location. elite players like us but so far away. Top 3 for KSL, top 5 for Green. Players like Cowart jerking us around and not showing taking up valuable recruiting time. Defensive brand is an issue, even if quality is better than other pac schools who pull more of the stars.
why continually repeat stuff that has no basis in reality? It's great that you've an active imagination and all, but neither Royce or Taj were downgraded following choosing Oregon... in fact on rivals Royce's ranking within their top 250 went way up following his commitment. Canton, AA & Balducci are the highest rated lineman on either side of the ball that they've landed in many years, and they don't play Offense. The recruiting thread isn't the pretend time thread [video=youtube;OFzXaFbxDcM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzXaFbxDcM[/video] STOMP
thats been the obvious reason pointed to by multiple posters, an endless list of reporters, & Coach Helfrich at last years recruiting press conference, but our special poster can't/won't accept the obvious or even list it as a possibility in his question to you. It must be the Defensive scheme! Must force round peg through square hole! Oregon lands much of what little D1 talent develops within close proximity of the school for the same reason it often plays bridesmaid to guys they're in on who live far off. Location. The local school is almost always the favorite as the kid likely grew up rooting for them and has an established relationship with it's coaches... of course being close to friends family & Mom's home cooking is a major pull as well. KL-S's quote on rivals as to the main reason why he chose UCLA was "that it always felt like home." Take a look at any service's lists and where top talent is committing if anyone has doubts about this. Fortunately for us, as Helfrich stated at that same presser, factor #2 with recruits is winning/success. Not every kid likes the home school. Some want a different experience and the allure of playing for an annual national contender in a beautiful little college town keeps the cupboards stocked with talent. We're looking at a very solid class thus far that addresses the expected needs of the team going forward, and they aren't done yet. I'm expecting a strong finish as we approach February STOMP
Stomp, AA was a five star O lineman not a D lineman and a 4 would be a kind placement for the amount of impact he's had in his first two years on the D line here. AA is and has been living on his O line size and rep from high school when... healthy. Buckner is the real hub to the D line! Canton was the #1 ranked player on 24/7 beginning of this year, yet I bet much like Tyner another player who had to earn his 5th star back, will have to do something impressive like 7 TD's in a game which got Tyner back his star. Tyner lost his 5th star right about the time he committed to Oregon as well. Taj is the #1 APB in the nation and for some reason doesn't have a 5th star in the kind of competition he plays in and around Georgia. Yet Barnett went from a 4 star could be Oregon commit to a 5 star Alabama commit in under 90 days. Royce rose the 247 bias star ladder because of his DOMINANT performances amongst the best at The Opening and his physical TD runs against the nations best D players in the Army All American Bowl. Let's not forget that he broke every San Diego county rushing record ever made and some of those names were big names in the NFL to boot! There is not doubt in my mind that had he committed to USC or UCLA he'd have gone in a 5*! Now be it this question wasn't directed to you, thank you for another instigating response, meant to irate another as opposed to having a football discussion! "but our special poster can't/won't accept the obvious or even list it as a possibility in his question to you. It must be the Defensive scheme! Must force round peg through square hole!" If what I say is such nonsense to you, stop stalking my every post! How hard can it be for you? Clearly there are others far more to your liking to bestowal your vast wisdom upon huh? I'm sure they can't wait to hear from you!
