new batting coach speaks.....lol

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  1. yankeesince59

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    ...per usual, I call 'em as I see 'em.

    ...and sorry, but not firing Cashman, and instead giving him a pat on the back by giving him a new contract, while at the same time pointing a finger at Long and Thompson is a joke...and spinning it any other way is also a joke.
     
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    Oh I'm not in the minority when it comes to corporate processes in general, I'm usually in the minority when changing/shaking things up as the initiator, but the rest fall in line and my approach becomes the majority.

    I never said sr. Mgmt doesn't get canned, they do but that's <1% of the time when you consider all the other levels of " restructuring" that takes place.

    Do I think Cashman merited a new contract...I don't have enough information, but the Steins do and they did. For all you know, Cash is on record saying...OK we have a chance to sign Tex, ARod, etc.....but stats predict they will suck on the back end 3 years.....the core 4 can't play forever....here is my plan for rebuilding 2013-2017. Steins could say something like, OK but no losing seasons...measure progress, etc. There are high level things going on that fans will never know about. Based on the big biz moves George's kids have made, they aren't incompetent.

    No Long isn't to blame...he either contributes to success or not. But consultants have a shelf life, at some point their message gets lost, loses impact and its time to make a change.

    I'm just trying to explain to you that there are other ways to look at these situations.
     
  3. yankeesince59

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    ...what?...you "don't have enough information" to have an opinion as to whether Cash merited a new contract or not?....seriously?...nice dodge.

    ...do you seriously think that Cash has "contributed to success or not"?...yes or no? (I'm sure you'll dodge this question as well.)

    ...your "1%" statement is total BS too...exaggerate much?...don't know where you get this shit from...yes I do, you make it up and assume people will buy what you're selling.
     
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    As we all reserve the right to agree to disagree. I don't really doubt but 1 or 2 words you said Tom, all good input.

    Yet, flipping this coin, like Harvey Dent, I see: "One who believes the majority conventional thought, often fall in time, due to a lack of a minority paradigm shift". People on the average evade, and despise paradigm shifts in business. Why because they fear what they cannot comprehend. so no, the majority is not always correct, in fact in more times than not, the majority is lacking tremendously in many areas of thought, execution, or instruction and procedure...especially when it comes to redefining a businesses project/program plan, when its imperative to bring in people who can and do specialize in thinking outside the box.

    In MLB sure some do indeed get fired, never to find their way back to even a Minor Lg job. Alot of those guys you will see as analysts or play by play TV announcers; ie: Buck Martinez for one of several. No, its not the majority, as you said, those get relocated; to new teams, as you said.

    As for Martinez, the Jays were desperate in hiring him, and were just in firing him. The TV stations, are pitiful for hiring Buck, as much as some MLB games, ie Play Station, et al. I wanted to puke everytime I played a MLB PS game, with Buck as the commentator. Thank God I could shut the sound off....

    PS: I wouldn't consider a player or coach, Mgr. going into the TV business as being relocated. Due to the fact, they are not on the Baseball Field, giving instruction, advice, or having any input into the games outcome.....just saying I agree with 90% of what you said Tom.
     
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    I did not see this post, when I wrote the one above. IN that case, never mind, most of my reply.

    I'd say not <1%, I'd say more like 10% to 25% IMO, would be a more accurate number, yet I don't have the stats to prove or disprove either point, so that makes this all pretty redundant.

    I for 1 of several would say: Cashman did not deserve to receive a new contract, and I definitely do NOT like the way the Stein Kidz are handling this storied epic franchise. I believe they're bringing dishonor to the greatest franchise in sports....!

    I get the shelf life, and would add, LUI, "Limited Usage Items", so lets do some depot maintenance....LOL...!

    And yes, none of us are privy to what happens in the clubhouse or Mahogany Row Chambers, behind those gold plated doors..... :smiley-kisa: :shitstorm::smiley-kisa::emotions:
     
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    ...^^^yeah, I'm still laughing at the "<1%" figure.
     
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    When you calculate the total number of mid managers canned doing George vs the times the board flushes sr mgmt....in my experiences its <1%.

    Top down rules gentlemen.
     
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    Why just mid Managers Tote? What about other Admin's? even coaches, GM's, Mgr's. et al. Except of course the Peanuts tosser, and the Popcorn popper?:emotions: Or would that be EEO/wrongful termination?:rolleyes2:
     
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    Didn't you use to play Cliff on Cheers?
     
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    ...lol...so now batting coaches are "mid management"?...news to me.


    ...and in your "experiences" do you have "coaches" in your industry?




    ...wow, just wow.
     
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    Only Motivational Coaches, Inspirational Speakers, and Consultants.

    With no coverage for Lemans and Natural Child Birth Coaches....
     
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    Spinning....spinning.....'round and 'round we go.
    Have the Yankees blamed last season on a couple of coaches?

    I must've missed Hal"s news conference- and should they blame Cashman for last season? CC going into the tank, Tex probably still being affected by serious wrist surgery, Beltran being hobbled with an elbow injury, Nova going down with arm surgery, McCann giving less than expected.....AND the team scoring 2 runs or less in 10 losses during a stretch in August.

    I think he did okay making adjustments and pickups on the fly to help keep the team in the race for a wildcard WHILE THE OFFENSE CONTINUED TO STINK UP THE PLACE.
     
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    Lol! Fortunately none of you have decision making authority in the Yankee front office.
     
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    ^^^nor

    ...fortunately, neither do you.
     
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    ..."spinning"?...really?...exactly who did that?...and please be specific.

    ...yeah, apparently you DID "miss it"... the ONLY people relieved of their duties were Thompson and Long...does that not tell you anything about who was "blamed"?
     
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    But not all who open their mouths are fools. ?


    One player in particular he's looking forward to working with is new shortstop Didi Gregorius, who Pentland acknowledged he saw a lot of when he was working for the Dodgers from 2008-11.

    "He's got a huge future and I'm very excited he's a Yankee," Pentland said. "He's an incredibly athletic player and I've always thought there's a lot in there. We've got to get it out."
    "He started off very well, but just like most young hitters, they figure them out eventually," Pentland said. "The problem with young players is, you have to be more patient."


    Yep, this Pentland guy sounds like a real "fool".
     
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    You said (post 21) - and spinning it any other way is also a joke.
    (When referring to the dismissal of your pals Thomson and Long...lmao)

    I said (post 32)
    Should they blame Cashman for last season? CC going into the tank, Tex probably still being affected by serious wrist surgery, Beltran being hobbled with an elbow injury, Nova going down with arm surgery, McCann giving less than expected.....AND the team scoring 2 runs or less in 10 losses during a stretch in August.
    I think he did okay making adjustments and pickups on the fly to help keep the team in the race for a wildcard WHILE THE OFFENSE CONTINUED TO STINK UP THE PLACE.

    ++++++++++++

    I don't think "they" should've fired Cashman because of the reasons I stated in POST 32 (above) I can add a couple of more reasons....MY OPINION... Ugh!
    And maybe "they" should keep a close eye on Girardi in the next season or two.
    I have NO PROBLEM with the Yankees choosing to replace a couple of coaches after these past two seasons....in particular the fart sniffing Kevin Long. lol

    Seriously, no seriously...are you related to any of those coaches?
     
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    Hammer wasn't talking and did not mention "everyone" in his Twain quote...! Rather Twain and Hammer both meant, if a fool is already expected as being a fool, then its only proper for that supposed fool, to keep their mouth shut, than to prove their idiocy.....

    I'll give Pentland a chance, yet honestly I am not expecting much out of him.

    My expectations are on the offense, and hitting, not a new coach who comes to town with a ra-ra speech. Kind of like Rex Ryan, did the other day in Buffalo. Then NFL.TV showed his hiring speech with the Jets, and both speeches were too much similar....!
     
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    Don't mean to sound redundant but I'll wait until I see Tex hitting against the shit. Or not.
     
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