What I think you fail to see us the forgiveness was made even if you choose to believe or not. The price has already been paid, your acceptance is only to free your burden. You act as though he said, "i died for just a select amount of sin". Nope he said he died for "all sin". So how can there be condition when all has, will have and had been?
You believe everyone is ultimately saved regardless of what happens in this life, correct? If so I'm not addressing that perspective, and it's not one I'd have a logical problem with.
First you're blaming God for the existence of sin. Now you're blaming God for the very nature of acceptance of a gift. I think we've reached the foundation of your resistance to Christianity, and it's not an uncommon perspective.
I'm not a Christian because there is no evidence whatsoever that it's true, and a mountain of evidence that humans tend to make and adhere to untrue belief systems often en masse. My only point in this discussion was that it is a (Biblical) stipulation that salvation has behavioral requirements. It doesn't matter if you think they aren't actually what is doing the saving, they are still something that is necessary.
Nope I'm arguing the principles of the traditional Christian belief. So what I personally believe isn't topic in this thread
You have a right to vote, but you can choose not to vote. There is no stipulation for that right, just as their is no stipulation for your salvation. I think you got this concept all mixed up and playing with something called semantics. The salvation and freedom from the burden of sin has always been there. Your choice not to believe is all on you. God isn't forcing to to be saved.
You have an odd take. You think it is a command but apparently have no fear of ignoring the command. I think it is advise and I too have no fear of ignoring the advice. However, I don't think this bit of advice, being a bit over the top, does anything to detract from the overall message and the good things that come from following. Are you saying this Command cause you to reject the whole message? It doesn't make sense!
You're confusing me with someone who isn't not a non-theist. Hopefully it's obvious I'm just trying to point out a logical contradiction in the plan of salvation. I have no problem at all with the philosophical message of Jesus as it pertains to how we treat each other. Most atheists don't.
Wonderful! I don't know what the hell we are arguing about! I can't ask for more and probably have no right in being concerned with what happens to your soul. That is God's work.
A wonderful day, perhaps a break through is imminent. Here we have a few Christians who' faith I admire. At least one Christian admiring person, probable a Pantheist (me) and one off several self described atheists finding something in common. A following of the teachings of Jesus is a good thing for humanity! That is an important event, something that can be agreed on among many. Thank you for participating, now if we could get more in the club, I think that would be good. The Christian knows his soul is saved. The Pantheist doesn't require this information, he is comfortable with what ever Gods plan is. The Atheist (guessing here) can't find any evidence of God so nothing can be next. However, living by the teaching of Jesus might change the view, maybe. It can't be harmful.
OT but I fine the speculative possibility of pantheism way more interesting than traditional theism. I don't think it would make intelligent life any less apparently a fluke or side effect of the universe rather than an intended result, but it's interesting to think about the complexity of the universe itself constituting a mind in a way we haven't noticed yet.
We're going to burn in hell when: 1) asteroid hits 2) global warming too much 3) sun explodes This is gospel!