I can sense something happening, not the usual ST optimism

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  1. Rick2583

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    Though I'm really not very optimistic about this season, with the good young core of players we have I am about the future. Like seeing Bird at first, Refsnyder / Pirela at 2nd & perhaps Judge in right field.
     
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    ...^^^ now THAT would be "getting younger".
     
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    Sadly I don't see it becoming a reality for AT LEAST another year or two.
     
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    ...you'd probably see it this year except for the fact that Jones (33), Drew (32)/ Ryan (32), and Beltran(37) et al, are still under contract.
     
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    Not to mention our 35 year old useless 1st baseman.
     
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    It must of been embarrassing to be in Trash-Mans shoes this winter. Left holding a pair of snake eyes, IF THAT....while the other GM's and Owners, seemed to had a ball.....Brian was left holding nothing, not even a lit cigar, and NO ONE would lend him a match....and why should they?
     
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    Once again my old friend, (not old like in O-L-D, cuz 65 is the new 35), but Old as in Long Time:

    Rick, you've hit the nail and/or bullseye Right On the Head, Dead Center....!

    Or another old buddy and Michael say: "A french fry short of a Happy Meal"....
     
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    Geezus effing Chrissst. If you can't make it as an anal-yst, you sure as hell aren't going to make it as a Journal-ist. Don't quit your day job....

    PS-TMI, to the 4th squared, thus not worth reading even 1 sentence. Time for a break, try out the closet...!
     
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    For me....as they need to rebuild and retool, get as many kids in there at the same time. Plenty of vets for leadership. Let the kids play in 2015 and 2016....increasing expectations for a run starting in 2017.
     
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    This idea works for me.
     
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    I don't want to see the yoyo first to worst routine the Sox do.....but at some point they needed to let the Jeter, Bernie, jorge's play. We don't need to relive the Donny years....but taking some lumps and seeing what they have has got to happen. Would prefer they use the time they are saddled with Tex cc ARod and Beltran.

    Cashman just doesn't know how to stand back and let talent develop. He's gotten beaten up over prospects for a decade...he's afraid they might wither or spoil. Yet his actions (drew) end up assuring the former.
     
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    Unfortunately as long as we've got Beltran in right & Teixeira at first, the kids aren't going to see much playing time. And that's this year & next.
     
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    Tex isn't going anywhere unless he completely implodes and totally sucks or gets a long term injury - so that kinda explains why and how "younger more athletic" is excluded and eliminated from the 1b spot.....young Mr Bird (or some other "young" 1b) is on hold for at least this year.
    I guess we can also include RF in this factor but I'm sure most of you are aware of the very good season he had with the Cards the previous year.....they chose Beltran for 3 years instead of Grandy for 4 yrs.
    That's that, it's done!

    That leaves TWO spots on hold where the Yanks/Cashman's "younger plan" will have to wait out. Is this a fair assessment or should they just release or bench Tex/Beltran ?

    I can understand the problem some have with the signing of Drew....but, and you can say I'm defending Cashman if you want but the objective IS TO WIN and I tend to agree with their assessment that Drew can rebound and put up very decent numbers from the 2b spot.....and what's so bad If he flops again and they put Pirela there.
    And I think we all agree Pirela will be on the team and possibly also Refsnyder even though some of you have already said his defense needs work.
    The'll release Drew if he flops and they won't be on the hook for his full salary.

    Moncada - Yanks failed to get him for 5mil(?) and I understand the disappointment ....he looks to be the real thing, and he's also not ready yet and,......does he come with a guarantee?
    Now I know this is going to be ridiculed but, just maybe, possibly, the Yanks may now have their restraints and limits with certain big time contracts?

    Gardner in LF, will be 32 yrs old, want to dump him and put a "kid" out there?
    Ellsbury,31 yrs old, we may agree he's overpaid and the contract too long, the deal is done and I still think he's one of the better all around players in the league......shall the Yanks release him? lol
    Headley seems to be another problem with the"board",
    30yrs old, will turn 31 in May.
    Is he NOT a good glove and is he a bad hitter?
    Never mind what the majority of THIS BOARD says, maybe we should poll MLB GMs?
    He'll be 35 towards the end of his contract, since when is being 35 yrs old a death sentence for 3b? Their first round pick 3b Jagielo (22yrs old) from a couple yrs ago has done pretty good at AA last year....he could be ready for pinstripes in 2-3 years and now is when you have to think out of the box and like a GM.....if or when Jagielo is ready by 2017-18, guess who then can be moved into a DH/backup 1b role?...
    ....you got it, Chase Headley.

    "You" say I can't see or admit Cashman has no "plan" to get younger and more "athletic" but I'm saying he Has infused more youth (Gregorius, Murphy, Pirela, bullpen, SP depth in minors, SP staff)...despite working around a couple of big veteran contracts.

    And how many of you had a big problem when the Yanks signed McCann and at the time when they signed Tex?
    And let's not quite write off Tex....if he bounces back and Drew regains most of his form from before last year's washout..this team will surprise "the majority" of the board.

    Yes, of course the team has to stay relatively healthy.
     
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    Either way its sliced, the Yanx need to beef up their Prospects. A big $$$ player is a nice touch to a Team already compiled of once good Prospects, developed in the Farm Systems. Yet, when a big $$$ player loses his touch, no one wants to obtain that salary; let alone the absence of quality performances.

    The Yanx overall, the Bronx Club to the rookie A Ball, is in dire need of rebuilding IMO.....

    This Team can't continue to give up any more prospects, unless its a sure shot, such a trade, would be a upgrade for the Yanx, but we've all known this for years.
     
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    Comparing the Yanx moves, or lack thereof vs The Bums Prospects; L.A.'s Prospect pool is deeper and broader than any of the 45 years I've lived here in So. Cal.

    Or as Donnie said, "We're just now seeing the pool of talent, in Prospects from those trades"....me 3, and I'm quit amazed by the Youth Movement I'm seeing. To reiterate tho', paying Millions for anyone to not play or work, is the complete opposite ,of my own beliefs, ie, "Pay for Performance".....shove it down the MLBPA Union regardless, it works.......Enough Fortune 500 companies will testify to that....(I know you can't compare say Coca-Cola to the Yanx), but when it comes to maximizing profit and potential, Pay for Play is the way to go, and hopefully the Blueprint of the Future.....

    It's high time the Commish, and Owners grow some balls, and shove it down the Unions throat. In but a year, more like 2 or 3, the Union will thank the Idea itself.....it works, proven, in any field of work, even sports....!
     
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    This is what I'm seeing in L.A. with the Bums. They offed both Brian Wilson and Dan Haren; paying both their 2015 Player Option $$$ of approx 10 Mil, to sit at home, and Not show up at all to Chavez Ravine. Last I looked Wilson is as good as done for, and Haren IMO is too.

    Here's a real killer, and one of several reasons I said Guggenheim is not good for MLB, and along with his TWB-C contract is ruining or will ruin MLB, or form a Monopoly of some sort, cuz who in Gods sweet name has 50 mil to spend on players not on the Roster?

    Kemp is receiving 18.5 Mil of his 2015 Contract of 22.5 Mil from the Bums, and will get 3.5 Mil from the Bums thru 2019. Any one knows this is NOT good business sense at all. Yet, if you can afford to take a bath in 1K bills every night, flush it all down nightly with the bath water, then by all means do so,. Yet this practice IMO, is bad for MLB in general, and a dangerous trend....but boyo shithose, did the bums make out this year, in trades for some damn fine Prospects, Grandall being one right off the bat, in trade for Kemp. NTM- they haven't named their #5 SP, but NOW have several contenders for that job, and those who don't get the #5 Job, will only re-enforce the weakest link of all, their Bull Pen...
     
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    Matt - if Kershaw doesn't have another Cy Young type year, or close to it, the Bronx Bombers will win more games than your Dodgers.

    How about that? Like it?
     
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    Unless they have the balls to outright waive a guy and eat his contract. I'd write off one in 2015 (ARod) and one in 2016 (Tex). Both will retire if that happens....good riddance.
     
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    Don't tease us Tom.
     
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